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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 72 64.3%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.7%
  • Total voters
    112
What we saw on the weekend is not even close to what Angeball actually is.

There seems to be a fixation after from the media and even the players themselves on possession. This is misguided.

Prior to joining Celtic, Postecoglou was hired by City Football Group to manage the club they part own in Japan. He was part of their system and their philosophy.

CFG believes in "effective possession". This is not the same as peak Barcelona tika taka.

Effective possession isn't ponderous, slow, backwards and sidewards passing. Its not the midefielders doing the Busquets-Xavi tango where they knock a dozen one-touch 3 feet long passes to each other. Its not slow wingers who can't beat their man or track back or put in a cross or a cut back, or full backs who don't overlap or don't cut inside, or a striker who doesn't make timed run or has a good first touch or clinical finish. We saw all of this on the weekend.

Postecoglou was asked what pleased him on the weekend. He said "The effort of the players". That is not a complement. In fact this is as critical of the players in the media that he gets. Player effort is a non-negotiable minimum expectation he has.

But right now, because he knows all about dressing room player power, he knows that he is seen as a nobody, he knows his position is somewhat vulnerable so he is yet to let loose on the players. He wants to win the players over, the ones who buy in anyway.

Bit by bit, he will cull those who don't fit, as much as he's allowed to by the owner.

As for Kane leaving, I don't think he was phased in the slightest. You can tell from his public comments-let the fans grieve- but he won't, not in the slightest.
 
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Kiro Kompiro said:
What we saw on the weekend is not even close to what Angeball actually is.

There seems to be a fixation after from the media and even the players themselves on possession. This is misguided.

Prior to joining Celtic, Postecoglou was hired by City Football Group to manage the club they part own in Japan. He was part of their system and their philosophy.

CFG believes in "effective possession". This is not the same as peak Barcelona tika taka.

Effective possession isn't ponderous, slow, backwards and sidewards passing. Its not the midefielders doing the Busquets-Xavi tango where they knock a dozen one-touch 3 feet long passes to each other. Its not slow wingers who can't beat their man or track back or put in a cross or a cut back, or full backs who don't overlap or don't cut inside, or a striker who doesn't make timed run or has a good first touch or clinical finish. We saw all of this on the weekend.

Postecoglou was asked what pleased him on the weekend. He said "The effort of the players". That is not a complement. In fact this is as critical of the players in the media that he gets. Player effort is a non-negotiable minimum expectation he has.

But right now, because he knows all about dressing room player power, he knows that he is seen as a nobody, he knows his position is somewhat vulnerable so he is yet to let loose on the players. He wants to win the players over, the ones who buy in anyway.

Bit by bit, he will cull those who don't fit, as much as he's allowed to by the owner.

As for Kane leaving, I don't think he was phased in the slightest. You can tell from his public comments-let the fans grieve- but he won't, not in the slightest.
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Perfectly put 👏👏👏

These guys don’t know what’s coming and the fact that ‘THIS IS THE EPL’ is an utter irrelevance to Ange is such a foreign concept to most that they think we are bonkers or insane.
 
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adbhoy said:
Things are different with Ange - forget what’s gone before for Spurs, forget Kane, forget any problems that have previously held you back.

I really don’t get the pessimism of not getting fully on the Ange-bus.

Get carried away because ANYTHING is possible with this man - I know I sound like a crazy brainwashed moron but it’s true.

Believe me, at some point you will get it and you will believe you can win the CL with him.

There is a reason the Aussies, Japanese and now the Celtic fans are following him!

Just enjoy the ride cause when he moves on you will be that heartbroken that you will act like an Uber fan-boy on another clubs forum 👍
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I know full well mate.. My father is an adopted Celtic fan and has watched them plenty and my mother is Scottish so I know full well about the thoughts of Ange.

I was one of his prime supporters on here and recommended him back in March when it was clear we were needing a new manager just based on hearing my father's praise for him.
 
Some leagues are shit or at least shitter than others, not sure why that's such a controversial statement to make.

The Ange fanboys don't seem to understand our league or our club. Ultimately he has to work under Levy and ENIC and our owners are driven to win, not trophies anyway.

Also, he has had one bloody game. Let's leave it a bit before hailing him as the new Messiah FFS.
 
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They are still leagues and you insult those clubs involved in them who are trying to win.
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No I’m not insulting anything. My point is that winning in Australia and Japan, whilst it can be used to prove a manager’s quality, it’s a really weak one. I’ve said it before, it’s possible that Postecoglou was the best manager out of those two countries, but the difference between Australian/Japanese league and Premier League is massive. MAYBE for managers the gulf in quality is not as evident as it is for players, but the competition is definitely something Postecoglou’s never faced before.

As for the Scottish league, don’t wanna be dismissive, yes he may have rebuilt Celtic’s team which is fair enough and well done to it, but it’s hardly a remarkable achievement if you ask me, because Celtic dominates their league, both in quality and finances. It’s like saying Guardiola’s done an incredible job at City because he won the league.

It could work out for Postecoglou at Spurs, but it may as well not. Let’s just stop pretending he’s some sort of football genius just because he’s won some obscure league titles.
 
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friendlygoat said:
I can't put my finger on why, but he just feels 'right'. Far more so than Nagelsmann would've felt (imo).
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Reckon Nagelsmann bottled it when he found out it was likely Kane would be going.

Personally I reckon we were after Ange all along but if we did talk to others there wouldn't be many not put off by that news.

Hasn't seemed to phase Ange at all which is exactly what we need.
 
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No I’m not insulting anything. My point is winning in Australia and Japan, while it can be a point to prove a manager’s quality, it’s a really weak one. I’ve said it before, it’s possible that Postecoglou was the best manager out of those two countries, but the difference between Australian/Japanese league and Premier League is massive.

It could work out for Postecoglou, but it may as well not. Let’s just stop pretending he’s some sort of football genius just because he’s won some obscure league titles.
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Profiles are more important than your CV. Look where Pep,Arteta and Conte were before they got their big break.

The reason people rated Postecoglou wasn't because of what he won, but how he set his teams up.
 
The Romanian Jack said:
No I’m not insulting anything. My point is that winning in Australia and Japan, whilst it can be used to prove a manager’s quality, it’s a really weak one. I’ve said it before, it’s possible that Postecoglou was the best manager out of those two countries, but the difference between Australian/Japanese league and Premier League is massive. MAYBE for managers the gulf in quality is not as evident as it is for players, but the competition is definitely something Postecoglou’s never faced before.

As for the Scottish league, don’t wanna be dismissive, yes he may have rebuilt Celtic’s team which is fair enough and well done to it, but it’s hardly a remarkable achievement if you ask me, because Celtic dominates their league, both in quality and finances. It’s like saying Guardiola’s done an incredible job at City because he won the league.

It could work out for Postecoglou at Spurs, but it may as well not. Let’s just stop pretending he’s some sort of football genius just because he’s won some obscure league titles.
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The glass is always half empty for you isn't it?
Try being a little optimistic, it might change your outlook on life a bit!
 
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