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Transfers Summer Transfer Thread 2023! - Closed (Maybe)

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TomHotspur said:
When I see Liverpool fans cribbing and crying about FSG this Summer I just wish I could give them a taste of what it’s like supporting a team owned by ENIC. They wouldn’t be long shutting up.
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FightingIllini said:
FSG is a sporting operation looking to have their football team succeed in a manner than can still secure them a profit.
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Actually, they’re no better than ENIC when it comes to relative spending
The difference (and what you both fail to understand) is that their starting position of being a bigger club with much greater commercial revenue means that they get to spend an extra £100m to £150m over us every year without their owner needing to chip in a red cent.
Take. That. In.

The difference in the money we both have to spend every year is equivalent to the proceeds from the Coutinho sale. Every year.
 
NotThatTedHughes said:
a bigger club with much greater commercial revenue means that they get to spend an extra £100m to £150m over us every year
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Deloitte Football Money League 2026

The 2024/25 season set another new record, with the top 20 Money League clubs generating over €12 billion in revenue for the first time.
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80M Euro was the most the revenue gap between the clubs had been. More than made up for by Liverpool having a wages to turnover ratio at least 10% higher every season.

ENIC invest a lower percentage of the club's commercial proceeds on the pitch than any peer, period, end of story, all narratives to the contrary are water-carrying intentional lies.

The truth has an annoying way of being inconvenient.
 
FightingIllini said:
80M Euro was the most the revenue gap between the clubs had been.
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The number I gave relates to the total revenue gap.
From the numbers you post, 2022 was 702 to 523 in total revenue. My maths says that’s bigger than 80.
Commercial revenue helps drive the gaps in ‘other’ broadcast revenue. Liverpool are guaranteed a higher broadcast revenue than Luton.

Edited to add: Even if it is smaller than the 100-150m, it’s an extra 70-80% to spend every summer window
 
FightingIllini said:
www2.deloitte.com

Deloitte Football Money League 2026

The 2024/25 season set another new record, with the top 20 Money League clubs generating over €12 billion in revenue for the first time.
www2.deloitte.com www2.deloitte.com

80M Euro was the most the revenue gap between the clubs had been. More than made up for by Liverpool having a wages to turnover ratio at least 10% higher every season.

ENIC invest a lower percentage of the club's commercial proceeds on the pitch than any peer, period, end of story, all narratives to the contrary are water-carrying intentional lies.

The truth has an annoying way of being inconvenient.
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Did you read your own data?
 
NotThatTedHughes said:
an extra 70-80% to spend every summer window
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Nonsense. The differences are 20-25% at the most.

LeParisien said:
Did you read your own data?
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I did.

Liverpool opened a gap when they were in the CL and Spurs were in the ECL. That will flip in the accounts to come.

Spurs are going nowhere financially without the Champions League and have no chance at the Champions League at current levels of investment, that's the entire tale as some of us have been saying for years.
 
Kane you believe it said:
Imagine Davies playing as an inverted full back
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FightingIllini said:
Nonsense. The differences are 20-25% at the most.


I did.

Liverpool opened a gap when they were in the CL and Spurs were in the ECL. That will flip in the accounts to come.

Spurs are going nowhere financially without the Champions League and have no chance at the Champions League at current levels of investment, that's the entire tale as some of us have been saying for years.
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Do you accept that the gap has been more like 180m rather than 80m?
 
NewZealand_Spur said:

View: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1694017124199543272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694017124199543272%7Ctwgr%5E15b32e2a6442ef2e98feab8fb3b9a19977221ce8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2F15yimuf%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse

Kind of related to this but how the fuck does Poch want more signings?
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Who says Poch wants any of this?

Remember when Nagelsmann and Enrique ran for the hills the second they actually had real conversations with Chelsea about the club's plans?

I'm telling you, Boehly thinks filling up every inch of FFP space with young talents who they have under control of long-term contracts is some genius gambit that is going to turn the league on its head.
 
FightingIllini said:
Who says Poch wants any of this?

Remember when Nagelsmann and Enrique ran for the hills the second they actually had real conversations with Chelsea about the club's plans?

I'm telling you, Boehly thinks filling up every inch of FFP space with young talents who they have under control of long-term contracts is some genius gambit that is going to turn the league on its head.
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To be fair, none of us really know if Boehly's methods will succeed or fail. I'm already starting to think at least some of what he's done is pretty creative - certainly no one else has come up with a way of spending a billion in a few months and staying within FFP.

I am genuinely intrigued to see how this plays out for Boehly, medium and long term. Could end up really fucking badly - especially if the Saudis lose interest in European footballers (but I don't think they will for a while) - or it could be a fucking master stroke.
 
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FightingIllini said:
Who says Poch wants any of this?

Remember when Nagelsmann and Enrique ran for the hills the second they actually had real conversations with Chelsea about the club's plans?

I'm telling you, Boehly thinks filling up every inch of FFP space with young talents who they have under control of long-term contracts is some genius gambit that is going to turn the league on its head.
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It's the American sports (NFL/NBA) mentality. You defer payments as long as you can and assume by the time the bill comes due the rules will have changed and you'll be fine. Part of the problem with that is it often happens that players who appear to be the next big thing when they are signed don't pan out. This happens in football more than in the NFL and NBA. I know Timo Werner as touted as being a tremendous scorer and he faded fast, and there are many more examples.
 
Dudski said:
It's the American sports (NFL/NBA) mentality. You defer payments as long as you can and assume by the time the bill comes due the rules will have changed and you'll be fine. Part of the problem with that is it often happens that players who appear to be the next big thing when they are signed don't pan out. This happens in football more than in the NFL and NBA. I know Timo Werner as touted as being a tremendous scorer and he faded fast, and there are many more examples.
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He's assuming that while individual assets may decline, the group collectively is sure to appreciate over time.

He thinks he's doing Moneyball, but he's actually doing The Big Short.
 
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