It's like the club has forgotten how to win.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I’m pretty sure he gave them a hard time after the game. His honesty in his interviews after the game is class. He’s not accepting being pretty on the eye and he’s demanding more all the time. Winning is a must and I’m certain he’ll bring that to us.
Both can be true. I agree with the nature of football thing but opposition managers are reacting to what we are doing which is also part of the game.
Ok, we didn’t finish those chances in the 1st half - should’ve but that happens. We are still winning though, as we were in the previous five games, what are we going to do to preserve that as time ticks away?
Very good points, thanks!
I specially agree with the last point. I love Sonny and he is a good finisher, but not in games like these.
We need a CF, Richie just isn't it.
Hope we could pull a rabbit out of the hat in January. One can hope
This season really has encapsulated football fans in a microcosm.
When we were flying - If you said the squad lacked depth, that we had a backup CB problem that would haunt us or that our forward options weren’t good enough to challenge for the title, you were called a gooner and told Ange doesn’t need individual brilliance to score goals.
Lose a few games - We have our own fans calling him impostercoglu FFS.
Seasons are long. Most sides enjoy spells of excellent form and times where form dips. What we have seen in the first 4 months of the season should give every fucking fan cause for excitement and optimism for what’s to come.
This is a rhetorical question, but can we stop with the overreaction to every win or loss FFS?
When we were flying - If you said the squad lacked depth, that we had a backup CB problem that would haunt us or that our forward options weren’t good enough to challenge for the title, you were called a gooner and told Ange doesn’t need individual brilliance to score goals.
Lose a few games - We have our own fans calling him impostercoglu FFS.
Seasons are long. Most sides enjoy spells of excellent form and times where form dips. What we have seen in the first 4 months of the season should give every fucking fan cause for excitement and optimism for what’s to come.
This is a rhetorical question, but can we stop with the overreaction to every win or loss FFS?
Play better? At the end of the day a manager can only do so much. Ange's system gave us 75% of the ball and West Ham's two openings came from a long ball and a back pass. Defensively they did not give us any real trouble, their two goals should never have been allowed to happen. We had total control of the game for 90 minutes.
Offensively the players just have to grow a sack and deliver that shot/cross/through-ball and stop hesitating. Hesitating in football is death.
Football fandom is a fickle, over reactionary thing.
When you’re up, you’re world beaters and going to win the league.
When you’re down, you’re doomed
Social media and mainstream media doesn’t help either, it encourages the hysteria
Last 3-4 games have showed us how badly we miss Kane and to be fair also Maddison. If Kane is here we win all games bar probably the Chelsea collapse and are top of the league rather than 3 defeats and a draw. We generate the chances but are not ruthless enough.
I don't think Kane would have done much yesterday
Maybe he could have dropped deep and played quicker balls forward.
100%
Coupled with the "instant gratification" mentality. No patience whatsoever.
People thinking this is Fifa or Football Manager where you wave a magic wand and magically make a team world beaters in a short time frame
I mean, we didn't have total control of the game for 90 minutes. I'd say they had the better of the game between the 45th and 70th minute.
Hesitation is definitely our enemy in attack. Far too many times we got in great positions about 70% of the way up the pitch and then seemingly waited for West Ham to get 8 players back in the box.
Reminds me of when people used to accuse the scummers of trying to walk it into the net, except we're trying to short pass it there.
Respectfully disagree. He knew where to be. He knew how to draw a foul. He knew how to play a ball through to a runner.
Surely people must have concerns that even in the first 10 games we struggled to make clear chances.
Spam had a higher Xg than us yesterday. We had 23 shots and they had a higher Xg.
Everyone in the top 8 bar Man United has outscored us. We've only scored more than 2 goals twice all season. Once Vs Luton, once Vs Chelsea, once Vs Villa, once Vs Wolves, once Vs West Ham
We were massively on top in those games yet struggled with just the one goal. And it cost us in all but one.
Spam had a higher Xg than us yesterday. We had 23 shots and they had a higher Xg.
Everyone in the top 8 bar Man United has outscored us. We've only scored more than 2 goals twice all season. Once Vs Luton, once Vs Chelsea, once Vs Villa, once Vs Wolves, once Vs West Ham
We were massively on top in those games yet struggled with just the one goal. And it cost us in all but one.
He'd have been shooting against an 8 man wall. He wouldn't have got the ball in space because at no point did we get the ball up top quick enough to give a forward space to shoot.
This isn't one or two losses. This is record breaking stuff. It's a total implosion.
It's not on Ange its the squad issues that people were pointing out in the summer.
At some point the loss of Kane was going to come back to bite us, we were never replacing Kane like for like but we needed to add another striker to our roster, Richarlison is not it. I think that's been definitivley put to bed now.
Going into a season with only two centre backs of any quality was also shameful and was called out by me and many others.
The start to the season was never going to last because the squad is paper thin and we aren't lucky enough to go a full season without getting any key injuries and doing a Leicester.
Lets see in January if ENIC back the manager with the 4-5 signings of quality that are required plus outgoings or they give us the usual excuse about Januarys being hard and we get 1 in. At which point Ange will go the way of the last two managers.
Always need a plan B in football.
We literally gifted them their XG.
Romeo clearance off Davies falls perfectly to Bowen. Udogie back pass ends up to JWP scoring.
I assume you watched the game.
I'm not convinced there is one.
I want us to go long and direct occasionally.
I watched us play entirely in front of them. They were happy punting the ball away from their 3rd and waiting for us to pass it back towards them. We had no where to go and, as a result, we had barely a sniff of a decent chance all night.
And when we did get a sniff, we missed.