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Don't mind him coming on here normally actually but now he's just being a twat.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
Why should a club as big as Newcastle, with your relatively large stadium, with your TV rights, your sponsorships need the room to make more than a £100m loss, after deductions allowed for infrastructure, youth and womens football? If this helps put the brakes on football inflation then good. I'm all for it. Why should we keep feeding the fucking monster?

You're only upset about this because it's stopped you from buying a Top 4 place two years in a row. It's tough at the top, as we've found out ourselves. Deal with it.
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I'm frustrated by this because it makes breaking into the Champions Leagues spots all but impossible for a new challenger.

Forget about Newcastle for a minute, what about Villa, what about Brighton? They cannot compete commercially with the likes of Chelsea, let alone Man Utd, so they have to make money by selling their best players. They cannot attract top class talent so they have to recruit brilliantly, or settle for a poorer standard.

Keeping the limit where it is doesn't stop the established elite spending huge sums, and given they're the ones setting the tone, the fees will stay inflated beyond the reach of the other clubs. The limit should be raised in line with the inflated costs of transfer fees and wages. That's it, that's what I'm proposing.
 
This Fish said:
... that was the point, I chose a language that doesn't exist, from an uninhabited planet, to further underscore how much trouble people seem to having understanding what I'm saying.

Christ on a bike.
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Sometimes it's just hard to understand the Geordie... people

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Take your tears elsewhere, chum. Go and whinge on Blue Moon or the Shed End they'll have more sympathy for your awful plight.
 
This Fish said:
... that was the point, I chose a language that doesn't exist, from an uninhabited planet, to further underscore how much trouble people seem to having understanding what I'm saying.

Christ on a bike.
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Errmm ..

In a groundbreaking discovery, scientists from Cardiff University in Wales has detected signs of life on Venus, the second planet from the Sun in our solar system.

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Evidence of potential life on Venus found!

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:dembelefingers:
 
This Fish said:
I'm frustrated by this because it makes breaking into the Champions Leagues spots all but impossible for a new challenger.
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You did it literally one year after a relegation scrap, champ. You bought your way in. Rapidly.

This Fish said:
Forget about Newcastle for a minute, what about Villa, what about Brighton? They cannot compete commercially with the likes of Chelsea, let alone Man Utd, so they have to make money by selling their best players. They cannot attract top class talent so they have to recruit brilliantly, or settle for a poorer standard.
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You don't give a single shit about Villa (who seem to be doing just fine as it seems) or Brighton. Come on. Stop this fake noble act, you're a Newcastle fan whinging that Newcastles oil splurge has been slowed down - not stopped, may I add but just slowed down. Your crocodile tears will work elsewhere, not here.

This Fish said:
Keeping the limit where it is doesn't stop the established elite spending huge sums, and given they're the ones setting the tone, the fees will stay inflated beyond the reach of the other clubs. The limit should be raised in line with the inflated costs of transfer fees and wages. That's it, that's what I'm proposing.
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Yeah, look at Chelsea now. They're fucked. Woolwich are tiptoeing around because they spunked all their money on Havertz and Rice and now can't do anything. United resorted to signing Jonny fucking Evans.
 
SpiderSpurs said:
Errmm ..

In a groundbreaking discovery, scientists from Cardiff University in Wales has detected signs of life on Venus, the second planet from the Sun in our solar system.

The team of scientists claimed to have found phosphine gas in the planet's atmosphere. This gas, primarily released by living organisms, has been found in regions deeper than previously observed, raising the possibility of extraterrestrial life.
m.economictimes.com

Evidence of potential life on Venus found!

Scientists have discovered phosphine gas in the atmosphere of Venus, indicating the possibility of extraterrestrial life on the planet. The gas, typically released by living organisms, has been found at a depth deeper than previously observed. The discovery was made by a team of scientists from...
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:dembelefingers:
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"preliminary reports suggest that this possible living organism is still easier to communicate with than a typical Geordie."
 
JimothyCF14 said:
You did it literally one year after a relegation scrap, champ. You bought your way in. Rapidly.
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And needed a confluence of events to make it happen for one season, even with the 8th biggest net spend in the 22/23 Premier League.
JimothyCF14 said:
You don't give a single shit about Villa (who seem to be doing just fine as it seems) or Brighton. Come on. Stop this fake noble act, you're a Newcastle fan whinging that Newcastles oil splurge has been slowed down - not stopped, may I add but just slowed down. Your crocodile tears will work elsewhere, not here.
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I do give a shit about Villa and Brighton.
JimothyCF14 said:
Yeah, look at Chelsea now. They're fucked. Woolwich are tiptoeing around because they spunked all their money on Havertz and Rice and now can't do anything. United resorted to signing Jonny fucking Evans.
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So the FFP isn't really stopping bad owners from making bad decisions then is it?
 
This Fish said:
And needed a confluence of events to make it happen for one season, even with the 8th biggest net spend in the 22/23 Premier League.
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It still happened. And if it really happened with only the 8th biggest net spend (I take your word for it) then it sort of defeats the argument it's impossible under FFP\PSR

This Fish said:
I do give a shit about Villa and Brighton.
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Sure thing. And I'm Alan Partridge.

This Fish said:
So the FFP isn't really stopping bad owners from making bad decisions then is it?
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It's stopping them from spending more money they don't have. Like you. It's certainly not done a good job of keeping a closed shop since that's what you seem to think it is.

One day Saudi Arabia will be done with Newcastle. You may not believe this, and you may think that for some reason they have some sort of magical affiliation with your club which is going to keep them there forever underwriting your club for all time, but you're just a vehicle. A means to an end. When that time comes you'll suddenly find yourselves suddenly unable to continue buying success - and that's if you're lucky. Of course, it could never happen to Newcastle, because you're special right and those cuddly Saudi princes just have your best interests at heart. But let's say it did. Let's say like Jack Walker the money dries up. Or the rich guy who owned Gretna who suddenly popped his clogs. Or there's a change in foreign relations which makes your owners no longer welcome like a certain Abramovich. What then? You just hope to find a new sugar daddy who commits to the short term payment of wages you can't afford based on your actual income? Because if you were to remove PSR you'd be fucked. Done. Finished.

You might think it's unfair that Brighton have to build sustainably, but they're doing it and doing it well. I remember Brighton being a homeless wreck in the 3rd Division only just staying in the Football League at all on goal difference. Now look at them, they've qualified for Europe having secured their highest league finish ever, in a smart stadium and they're doing well. They don't want your pity, they're growing and doing it smartly. Who knows how high their current trajectory will take them. IF their owners suddenly yanked the chain tomorrow they'd be fine. Their fans would still have a club.

I get you don't give a shit and you just want instant success and you want it yesterday, what football fan doesn't? I get that little old Spurs should just give way to their superiors with bigger wallets. I get that you think your club are somehow immune from future threat because of your gloriously kind and generous owners will be around forever. But real life doesn't care about all that. You will become unstuck, and you'd probably be irrevocably fucked but PSR will mean that maybe, just maybe you'd be ok.
 
Billy Bob mate said:
But if you still had Ashley, would you care about what the limit is?

You are butt-hurt because you have an abhorrent but rich new owner when the football world is waking up to the madness that City and Chelsea started and are trying to reel it in.

You do have an advantage over others as you will continue to magic up sponsorships from mysterious new companies that spring up in Saudi.

You are one of the clubs who will still be distorting the market and won't be playing on the same fair playing field and yet you're still whining.

People on here hate Levy. Loads do. They hate him because he kept us spending within our means when we wanted more. He has been tight with money for the most part and it may have cost us silverware. No silverware is something other clubs - including yours - use to mock us.

But no-one can argue against the fact that we are now in a great ffp position because of him. Look around the league and almost everyone is suffering apart from us.

You are crying and whining to fans who have lived through lean years. Who have supported a club while it got its house in order. We get mocked for it. There's songs about us getting battered. Everyone talks about 'Spursy'.

And now we hopefully get to benefit from those tougher times.

You won the scumbag Lottery and think you're entitled. And you still won't play within the rules, you still won't grow organically cos you will take shortcuts where you can. And you want sympathy from us?!

Grow up.
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Well said
 
This Fish said:
It's hardly blowing their load, now is it? With the extra money from Champions League, Adidas, other commercial partners, we'll have more room next summer. We did finish bottom of the group of death, it's true. No shame though, inexperience and small squad meant we couldn't compete with PSG, Dortmund and AC Milan over 180 minutes.

Had we had better luck with injuries (and had Tonali not been a very stupid boy) I think we could have fared better in the CL, and certainly better in the PL.
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Worst dortmund and milan teams in years.
 
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