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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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bacchus99 said:
I saw this coming all week like many of you perhaps did. The Premier League is brutal tactically and when you play the same way regardless others find you out. It is normal, they study you and look for ways to hurt you. For a couple of months (I think since the Newcastle game), all of our home games look the same and play themselves out in the same way. The reason for this is my first point earlier. The half space either side of our center backs have been targeted successfully by Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton, even Dinosaur Dyche and now Wolves. Because it works and because only luck (and Vicario) prevented three of them not getting something out of the game. I really like Ange and what he is trying to do BUT he has to be pragmatic, surprise the opposition sometimes otherwise he will be gone sooner than we think because we are playing against the best club sides, coaches and, frankly, players in the world. Hell even a midtable team who finished 14th won a European trophy last season from this league. That is the positional equivalent of Salernitana (Serie A), Cadiz (La Liga) or Bochum (Bundesliga) or Stade Brest (Ligue Une) winning a European trophy. Some issues are as follows:

- Why is our best goal scorer, our most clinical finisher, spending game after game playing closer to the corner flag that the opposition's goal?
- If we didn't have Udogie and Porro playing, and teams (like Wolves yesterday) obviously prepared all week for Ange ball, why not play the two as conventional fullbacks and go for a 433 instead. Before the game, the only confidence I did have was if Ange deployed Royal and Davies in this way, blocking Wolves' one dimensional plan. Shockingly, when I saw Davies (especially) pushing up in a forward line of five, my heart sank.
- Have our players been told to only shoot from six yards? We have one of the best long distant shooters (Sonny) in the EPL and yet he never takes a shot anymore from distance, why? I saw Maddison score so many free kicks for Leicester, why is he always lofting an angle-less ball from free kicks now for us?
- Wolves, Brentford and Everton et. al. are crap at making the play, hence why they lose so many games against other mid table team. They cannot open up teams and there defenders are crap when they lose the ball high up the pitch, so why not sometimes play a transitional game against these teams?
- Our number 9 was awful again yesterday. Didn't understand the praise he was getting in pods during January. His second touch is a throw in and when he has more than a nanosecond on the ball he is gormless. This massively added to our disjointed performance.
- Our one touch stuff has descended into two/three touch football. Yesterday was confirmation. So painful. To beat a low block you need one or both of two things in approach play - dribbly wingers who can beat their man wide and/or one touch plays. We have nobody for the former and have abandoned the second. No chance of scoring.
- Finally, in relation to the previous point, the evidence is that against the low block of Brighton and Brentford we only scored to win the games with transitional plays not lock picking a low block.

thanx for enduring this long message.
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Don't worry, your message was still more edible than the utter dross Ange has been force-feeding us since Nov.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
mate we are not winning shit with just pressing. Sticking Gallagher in as another set of lungs on legs won't do anything. We need to start adding footballers (the real James Maddison) along with fit Bentancur are all we have. That Swedish kid looks a prospect, it's footballers we lack Olise Eze Rooney not slightly better Hojbjerg imho.
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No I agree that we still need to keep adding young high end dynamic talent, it was just in response to the point about our press dropping off.
 
Fattynomates said:
I noticed a few times Bissouma just looked like he couldn’t be bothered , what was that all about?
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When I called his attitude into question a wee while back, I got murdered by the usual know-it-all suspects.

His Spurs career has been a flop so far. Them few good games at the start of the season are literally all he's got to write home about. After nearly two years, for a player who's meant to be a leader - technically and influence wise - that's a joke. And not a funny one.
 
Juno said:
A roll of sorts. They were second best for most od the games against Villa and Luton out still jammed their way to a 1-2 win in both. A nice gimme at home to the Spammers and a 3-4 last second winner at Wolves.

A goal difference of +1 for the season after 25 games is fairly reflective of what they are at.
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Casemiro avoiding a clear red...yet again...helped too.

But you know what, fuck other teams and what results they get. Wouldn't need to worry about them if we handled our business but we're in full Dr Tottenham mode right now.
 
Unsurprisingly there a more reasoned debate on here about our form, tactics and Ange than there is on X/Twitter. I don’t get involved but the basic gist on there is that if you question our form then you’re an impatient fool. Almost a Mourinhoesque following on there where you’re not allowed to question or criticise. Very bizarre.
 
Deuterz said:
Ange has a cult following atm.
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It’s quite bizarre. I’m fine with him as our manager after the last lot but I think a few were too quick to proclaim him the messiah. I didn’t like him saying he’s not a magician after the game. I only saw the quote though, so not the context, which usually changes things.

But like I said this morning, being our manager is one of the hardest jobs around, I think he will handle it. I just want us to have the same manager for more than a season at the moment. We need to get away from the drama, which a lot of fans are addicted to.
 
Brian Fantana said:
It’s quite bizarre. I’m fine with him as our manager after the last lot but I think a few were too quick to proclaim him the messiah. I didn’t like him saying he’s not a magician after the game. I only saw the quote though, so not the context, which usually changes things.

But like I said this morning, being our manager is one of the hardest jobs around, I think he will handle it. I just want us to have the same manager for more than a season at the moment. We need to get away from the drama, which a lot of fans are addicted to.
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He’s a good coach - done much better work than I expected. But people have definitely gone to this weird place where he’s beyond question/some kind of managerial god or genius.

Guys made us mostly fun and quite effective, but he’s spent most of his career in third rate leagues. I assume he’s absolutely delighted to be here at all.
 
nicoclaesen said:
Don’t know how you saw that because that is just made up.
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Pal, if there's one person on here who is balanced and doesn't attack a player for the sake of it, that's our boy Fattynomates Fattynomates .

Watch their first & especially second again and tell me with a straight face that was Biss giving 100%.

While you're at it, watch the whole game (again) and focus solely on him but with any agenda set aside...and again tell me that is a lad who tries his hardest.

You love Biss and what he could be for us, that's grand. Doesn't mean you can't be real about his level yesterday...and overall since he's joined.

But suit yourself, keep accusing Fatty of making stuff up when you couldn't have picked a less suitable candidate to pin that felony on.
 
Jaynola said:
Don't worry, your message was still more edible than the utter dross Ange has been force-feeding us since Nov.
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Deuterz said:
He’s a good coach - done much better work than I expected. But people have definitely gone to this weird place where he’s beyond question/some kind of managerial god or genius.

Guys made us mostly fun and quite effective, but he’s spent most of his career in third rate leagues. I assume he’s absolutely delighted to be here at all.
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He’s doing okayish but it’s a big step up for him. The third rate League comment you made is valid. You find yourself at Celtic down 1-2 to a Wolves yesterday type comparator, the likes of Kilmarnock or St Johnstone, you probably still come back and win 4-2. You can get away with sloppy defending, the you score 3, we score 4 line in Scotland and presumably in the Australian and Japanese leagues as well.

The Premier League is hard nosed. Most teams can turn you over on a given day if you’re are not at it, like we were against Wolves yesterday.
 
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