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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Once again (!) the match if drawn or won would have guaranteed us Europa League

I get you don't think that is worth supporting for vs the rivalry.

But it's wrong to say there was nothing riding on the match for Tottenham. Factually wrong.

Chelsea have an easy home fixture this weekend. We have an easy away fixture. But we're shite ...
Yeah fair enough, however all of the talk was about us potentially having a chance to qualify for the Champions League had we won. It was still out of our hands as we would have been relying on Villa to slip up on the last day.

Regarding the Europa League, we always had the chance to qualify for that on Sunday where we now just need a point. Surely we won't mess that up....!!
 
I agree 5th is solid enough to get Ange a second season. The doubt in my mind is trajectory, as you say. Outside of the first ten games, it's been pretty poor, even with players returning. Even then, I still said to give him next season.

But what I got from the presser was big time end days Jose/Conte. The "I'm great and you'd be great too if you just followed my lead." He doesn't have the track record to pull off that act, Jose and Conte won major honours. So instead, it just feels like deflection from losing games and making poor selection decisions. That's what has made me think that the trajectory isn't going to change and Ange ends up sacked after about 15 games next season.
Of course the trajectory is going to change one of the big changes will be the fitness of Midfield.

As I stated earlier the problem with our second half of the season is tyhe injury problems in Midfield and Attack

Richarlison has been injured since his bright purple patch.

Bissouma had Malaria at the Afcon.

Pape came back from Afcon with a back injury.

Bentacur is still recovering from an ACL.

Maddison is still recovering from an ankle injury.

Los Celso gets injured every time he is asked to play more than 20 Minutes.

Solomon Dead.

Perisic tore his ACL

Werner Hamstring

Udogie Thigh

Sessegnon Dead

We have been plagued by injuries and illness but it is not always obvious.


Whats worse is that our system requires energy and pressing with matches longer than ever we do not have the squad for high energy off the ball pressing.
 
I appreciate your respectful tone, but I find that absolutely outrageous.

I wished my team to win all the times HE didn't care about it, allowing us to get battered by not making rudimentary adjustments to our set-piece defending.

He told everyone he didn't care and to piss of and leave him alone.

I'm not having this guy bowl into my club and play me for a cunt, wanting to gaslight and conduct everyone around his whims:

'maybe I'll just leave the schoolboy marking on set-pieces and not compact defend in a mid-block; or maybe I'll just choose to do all that and fix other parts which were failing, causing us to keep losing, in the one game that provides our arch rival and fierce historical competitor a title which will propel them even more years ahead of us, a situation which I am directly responsible for, as we only had to draw with them AT HOME to stop them'.

The pristine fact is he allowed a rot to set in by wilful, open negligence, causing us to LOSE game after game, then sanctimoniously shits on the fans for not wanting to WIN.

Patently absurd.

Majority of fans have been super generous, gracious and supportive to Ange; backing him throughout his arse -dropping slump and infantile tactical approach.

He's self-centred and fucking ungrateful and I can fucking tell you I am still furious with this and I will NOT be played as a cunt to sate someone's ego.

Listen, if you wanna fall for it and pretend that the vast majority of us fans who wanted to ensure - in a game which was one-in-a-million(!)... exceptional circumstances - that the scum, who have been well on the rise, do not gain the key to the very top tier and leave us even further behind, making it more difficult to win anything, are to be blamed, then fill your boots.

It's thoroughly perverse that there's a minority who are buying into this narrative Ange is seeding here.

The media already loves to shit on us and treat us like reek on a rack and he's sat there post-match, in a toddlers huff and given them more fuel to do it with.

Fucking fraudulent.

This fanbase has been wanting nothing but trophies forever; it's not US that have been the fucking problem, that would be BALDCUNT!

We've been begging that bastard to deliver trophies, and have been fully behind THE CLUB, consistently and loyally, even though he's failed miserably in doing so.

We've been emotionally abused and our love of the club has been exploited since he's been here and now we have to have a johnny-come-lately bowl in here - not even remotely interested in discovering, exploring and understanding the heart and soul of the fans - to pile in on top of it.

Disgusting.

THE FANS have not been the fucking problem - apart from the few who want to have that bald mthrfkr remain here to maintain mediocrity - and no cunt on this planet is going to gaslight me that we are.

Ange, put up or shut the fuck up and fuck off.

Enough talking.

DO IT.

And don't you dare try and use us as a buffer for any future failure.

Scumbag move.

Why I respect Conte - at least he came directly at the source!

Like a fucking MAN.


Except Conte directly called the fans impatience at games out for creating a negative atmosphere for the players.

“Here, the patience has finished for the fans,” Conte said. “The fans want to win [a] trophy. Stop. And then you have to find the right solution to make the fans happy and to win [a] trophy. Because the patience of the fans has finished. And we feel this. I feel this. The players feel this. For sure this [does] not help the situation.

“There are many players, also young players, that need to go step by step to grow. We are trying to build something important but if you don’t have patience, it is un-useful [unworkable].”

“We are far from being competitive to fight to win,” Conte said. “I say we need time, we need patience. I see that here the environment [around the club] has no patience or maybe the environment doesn’t want to understand the reality.

“The club has the patience. But the problem is the club also has to make happy the fans because the fans for many, many years are waiting to win something. I understand that it’s not easy for the club, not easy to invest a lot of money and you are [not] sure to win. Maybe your probability improves but we know we have to fight against top, top teams."

 
I hate to break it to you, but there ain’t a guy.

Nobody will make this club a success
. Not without different owners anyway. The desire from the top to be the very best isn’t there.
I hate this mantra, it's simply not true that there's no manager out there that could win a few tin pots with this squad of players.

This barren era has people talking as though we're asking managers to build a golden palace out of a pile of cow dung.

This is a squad of players good enough to win a trophy, and there have been plenty of others capable of doing so over the past decade too.

Could the owners have invested more?Probably, have other sides won things with less investment? Absolutely.
 
Except Conte directly called the fans impatience at games out for creating a negative atmosphere for the players.

“Here, the patience has finished for the fans,” Conte said. “The fans want to win [a] trophy. Stop. And then you have to find the right solution to make the fans happy and to win [a] trophy. Because the patience of the fans has finished. And we feel this. I feel this. The players feel this. For sure this [does] not help the situation.

“There are many players, also young players, that need to go step by step to grow. We are trying to build something important but if you don’t have patience, it is un-useful [unworkable].”

“We are far from being competitive to fight to win,” Conte said. “I say we need time, we need patience. I see that here the environment [around the club] has no patience or maybe the environment doesn’t want to understand the reality.

“The club has the patience. But the problem is the club also has to make happy the fans because the fans for many, many years are waiting to win something. I understand that it’s not easy for the club, not easy to invest a lot of money and you are [not] sure to win. Maybe your probability improves but we know we have to fight against top, top teams."

Impatient because we wanted to WIN.

Thanks for supporting my argument.
 
I appreciate your respectful tone, but I find that absolutely outrageous.

I wished my team to win all the times HE didn't care about it, allowing us to get battered by not making rudimentary adjustments to our set-piece defending.

He told everyone he didn't care and to piss of and leave him alone.

I'm not having this guy bowl into my club and play me for a cunt, wanting to gaslight and conduct everyone around his whims:

'maybe I'll just leave the schoolboy marking on set-pieces and not compact defend in a mid-block; or maybe I'll just choose to do all that and fix other parts which were failing, causing us to keep losing, in the one game that provides our arch rival and fierce historical competitor a title which will propel them even more years ahead of us, a situation which I am directly responsible for, as we only had to draw with them AT HOME to stop them'.

The pristine fact is he allowed a rot to set in by wilful, open negligence, causing us to LOSE game after game, then sanctimoniously shits on the fans for not wanting to WIN.

Patently absurd.

Majority of fans have been super generous, gracious and supportive to Ange; backing him throughout his arse -dropping slump and infantile tactical approach.

He's self-centred and fucking ungrateful and I can fucking tell you I am still furious with this and I will NOT be played as a cunt to sate someone's ego.

Listen, if you wanna fall for it and pretend that the vast majority of us fans who wanted to ensure - in a game which was one-in-a-million(!)... exceptional circumstances - that the scum, who have been well on the rise, do not gain the key to the very top tier and leave us even further behind, making it more difficult to win anything, are to be blamed, then fill your boots.

It's thoroughly perverse that there's a minority who are buying into this narrative Ange is seeding here.

The media already loves to shit on us and treat us like reek on a rack and he's sat there post-match, in a toddlers huff and given them more fuel to do it with.

Fucking fraudulent.

This fanbase has been wanting nothing but trophies forever; it's not US that have been the fucking problem, that would be BALDCUNT!

We've been begging that bastard to deliver trophies, and have been fully behind THE CLUB, consistently and loyally, even though he's failed miserably in doing so.

We've been emotionally abused and our love of the club has been exploited since he's been here and now we have to have a johnny-come-lately bowl in here - not even remotely interested in discovering, exploring and understanding the heart and soul of the fans - to pile in on top of it.

Disgusting.

THE FANS have not been the fucking problem - apart from the few who want to have that bald mthrfkr remain here to maintain mediocrity - and no cunt on this planet is going to gaslight me that we are.

Ange, put up or shut the fuck up and fuck off.

Enough talking.

DO IT.

And don't you dare try and use us as a buffer for any future failure.

Scumbag move.

Why I respect Conte - at least he came directly at the source!

Like a fucking MAN.
Elequently expressed 👏👏😂😂
 
I hate this mantra, it's simply not true that there's no manager out there that could win a few tin pots with this squad of players.
yea this is bullshit. a man that actually knows what hes doing would get this squad pushing far harder than what we are seeing. the front line needs sorting admittedly, but i doubt someone who knows what they are doing would play 3 up front when youre weak there, you pack out areas you are stronger in to make the team better, not exploit your weaknesses. conte done the same shit by playing a back 3 when that meant we were guaranteed two donkeys.
 
I appreciate your respectful tone, but I find that absolutely outrageous.

I wished my team to win all the times HE didn't care about it, allowing us to get battered by not making rudimentary adjustments to our set-piece defending.

He told everyone he didn't care and to piss of and leave him alone.

I'm not having this guy bowl into my club and play me for a cunt, wanting to gaslight and conduct everyone around his whims:

'maybe I'll just leave the schoolboy marking on set-pieces and not compact defend in a mid-block; or maybe I'll just choose to do all that and fix other parts which were failing, causing us to keep losing, in the one game that provides our arch rival and fierce historical competitor a title which will propel them even more years ahead of us, a situation which I am directly responsible for, as we only had to draw with them AT HOME to stop them'.

The pristine fact is he allowed a rot to set in by wilful, open negligence, causing us to LOSE game after game, then sanctimoniously shits on the fans for not wanting to WIN.

Patently absurd.

Majority of fans have been super generous, gracious and supportive to Ange; backing him throughout his arse -dropping slump and infantile tactical approach.

He's self-centred and fucking ungrateful and I can fucking tell you I am still furious with this and I will NOT be played as a cunt to sate someone's ego.

Listen, if you wanna fall for it and pretend that the vast majority of us fans who wanted to ensure - in a game which was one-in-a-million(!)... exceptional circumstances - that the scum, who have been well on the rise, do not gain the key to the very top tier and leave us even further behind, making it more difficult to win anything, are to be blamed, then fill your boots.

It's thoroughly perverse that there's a minority who are buying into this narrative Ange is seeding here.

The media already loves to shit on us and treat us like reek on a rack and he's sat there post-match, in a toddlers huff and given them more fuel to do it with.

Fucking fraudulent.

This fanbase has been wanting nothing but trophies forever; it's not US that have been the fucking problem, that would be BALDCUNT!

We've been begging that bastard to deliver trophies, and have been fully behind THE CLUB, consistently and loyally, even though he's failed miserably in doing so.

We've been emotionally abused and our love of the club has been exploited since he's been here and now we have to have a johnny-come-lately bowl in here - not even remotely interested in discovering, exploring and understanding the heart and soul of the fans - to pile in on top of it.

Disgusting.

THE FANS have not been the fucking problem - apart from the few who want to have that bald mthrfkr remain here to maintain mediocrity - and no cunt on this planet is going to gaslight me that we are.

Ange, put up or shut the fuck up and fuck off.

Enough talking.

DO IT.

And don't you dare try and use us as a buffer for any future failure.

Scumbag move.

Why I respect Conte - at least he came directly at the source!

Like a fucking MAN.

Bro cooked tbf
 
I appreciate your respectful tone, but I find that absolutely outrageous.

I wished my team to win all the times HE didn't care about it, allowing us to get battered by not making rudimentary adjustments to our set-piece defending.

He told everyone he didn't care and to piss of and leave him alone.

I'm not having this guy bowl into my club and play me for a cunt, wanting to gaslight and conduct everyone around his whims:

'maybe I'll just leave the schoolboy marking on set-pieces and not compact defend in a mid-block; or maybe I'll just choose to do all that and fix other parts which were failing, causing us to keep losing, in the one game that provides our arch rival and fierce historical competitor a title which will propel them even more years ahead of us, a situation which I am directly responsible for, as we only had to draw with them AT HOME to stop them'.

The pristine fact is he allowed a rot to set in by wilful, open negligence, causing us to LOSE game after game, then sanctimoniously shits on the fans for not wanting to WIN.

Patently absurd.

Majority of fans have been super generous, gracious and supportive to Ange; backing him throughout his arse -dropping slump and infantile tactical approach.

He's self-centred and fucking ungrateful and I can fucking tell you I am still furious with this and I will NOT be played as a cunt to sate someone's ego.

Listen, if you wanna fall for it and pretend that the vast majority of us fans who wanted to ensure - in a game which was one-in-a-million(!)... exceptional circumstances - that the scum, who have been well on the rise, do not gain the key to the very top tier and leave us even further behind, making it more difficult to win anything, are to be blamed, then fill your boots.

It's thoroughly perverse that there's a minority who are buying into this narrative Ange is seeding here.

The media already loves to shit on us and treat us like reek on a rack and he's sat there post-match, in a toddlers huff and given them more fuel to do it with.

Fucking fraudulent.

This fanbase has been wanting nothing but trophies forever; it's not US that have been the fucking problem, that would be BALDCUNT!

We've been begging that bastard to deliver trophies, and have been fully behind THE CLUB, consistently and loyally, even though he's failed miserably in doing so.

We've been emotionally abused and our love of the club has been exploited since he's been here and now we have to have a johnny-come-lately bowl in here - not even remotely interested in discovering, exploring and understanding the heart and soul of the fans - to pile in on top of it.

Disgusting.

THE FANS have not been the fucking problem - apart from the few who want to have that bald mthrfkr remain here to maintain mediocrity - and no cunt on this planet is going to gaslight me that we are.

Ange, put up or shut the fuck up and fuck off.

Enough talking.

DO IT.

And don't you dare try and use us as a buffer for any future failure.

Scumbag move.

Why I respect Conte - at least he came directly at the source!

Like a fucking MAN.
How you can even equate this to past results and what Levy has done or not done is astonishing.

I have no idea what your expectations were for this season but I wager right now he's exceeded them but because he's called "us" out for doing exactly the thing he's called us out for you are losing your shit and can't accept it because we can't defend set pieces!!! Come on that's fucking insane. They aren't fucking related but you want to relate them because it gives you some mud to chuck because he's hurt your feelings for accusing "us" of the very thing that "we" did.

I've already owned the fact that I'm a rabid irrational fan that didn't mind taking a hit because it fucked Woolwich and I've already owned the fact that despite his comments (which are 100% correct) I would still wish for the same outcome. Why? Because this is the fucked up world of a bitter rivalry at play.

I'm saying the two things can co-exist. His comments don't change my view on being okay with our loss directly affecting Woolich negatively. But I know with just as much certainty he is 100% right in what he says. There is no one on planet earth that can say to me that are happy with a manager of theirs throwing a game.

"Enough talking" - Are you scared of being offended by the truth again?

You and I and many, probably the majority of fans, are okay for us to drop points, in this scenario, it's our curse. But are you happy there are members of staff preparing the team for a game of football that think like us? Does this fill you with confidence that this is the attitude to have? Y/N

:angehug:
 
I hate to break it to you, but there ain’t a guy.

Nobody will make this club a success. Not without different owners anyway. The desire from the top to be the very best isn’t there.

I agree with that, but I know Levy ain't going anywhere. So I hope that he stumbles across a miracle worker. I don't think it's Ange. Poch was the closest we came, feels like Ange is on fast forward from positive to negative. Speed running the Spurs manager job.
 
How you can even equate this to past results and what Levy has done or not done is astonishing.

I have no idea what your expectations were for this season but I wager right now he's exceeded them but because he's called "us" out for doing exactly the thing he's called us out for you are losing your shit and can't accept it because we can't defend set pieces!!! Come on that's fucking insane. They aren't fucking related but you want to relate them because it gives you some mud to chuck because he's hurt your feelings for accusing "us" of the very thing that "we" did.

I've already owned the fact that I'm a rabid irrational fan that didn't mind taking a hit because it fucked Woolwich and I've already owned the fact that despite his comments (which are 100% correct) I would still wish for the same outcome. Why? Because this is the fucked up world of a bitter rivalry at play.

I'm saying the two things can co-exist. His comments don't change my view on being okay with our loss directly affecting Woolich negatively. But I know with just as much certainty he is 100% right in what he says. There is no one on planet earth that can say to me that are happy with a manager of theirs throwing a game.

"Enough talking" - Are you scared of being offended by the truth again?

You and I and many, probably the majority of fans, are okay for us to drop points, in this scenario, it's our curse. But are you happy there are members of staff preparing the team for a game of football that think like us? Does this fill you with confidence that this is the attitude to have? Y/N

:angehug:
I don't even know what that means.

Re. staff, I can't even trust what Ange is saying.

I just don't trust him, now.

I think what he implied about the fans is that egregious.

Left me very wary of him.

It's up to him to regain my trust.

And that is coming from someone who has been rabidly defending him the last few weeks, when people wanted him sacked, imploring they give him time.

We're not going to agree on this issue.
 
I appreciate your respectful tone, but I find that absolutely outrageous.

I wished my team to win all the times HE didn't care about it, allowing us to get battered by not making rudimentary adjustments to our set-piece defending.

He told everyone he didn't care and to piss of and leave him alone.

I'm not having this guy bowl into my club and play me for a cunt, wanting to gaslight and conduct everyone around his whims:

'maybe I'll just leave the schoolboy marking on set-pieces and not compact defend in a mid-block; or maybe I'll just choose to do all that and fix other parts which were failing, causing us to keep losing, in the one game that provides our arch rival and fierce historical competitor a title which will propel them even more years ahead of us, a situation which I am directly responsible for, as we only had to draw with them AT HOME to stop them'.

The pristine fact is he allowed a rot to set in by wilful, open negligence, causing us to LOSE game after game, then sanctimoniously shits on the fans for not wanting to WIN.

Patently absurd.

Majority of fans have been super generous, gracious and supportive to Ange; backing him throughout his arse -dropping slump and infantile tactical approach.

He's self-centred and fucking ungrateful and I can fucking tell you I am still furious with this and I will NOT be played as a cunt to sate someone's ego.

Listen, if you wanna fall for it and pretend that the vast majority of us fans who wanted to ensure - in a game which was one-in-a-million(!)... exceptional circumstances - that the scum, who have been well on the rise, do not gain the key to the very top tier and leave us even further behind, making it more difficult to win anything, are to be blamed, then fill your boots.

It's thoroughly perverse that there's a minority who are buying into this narrative Ange is seeding here.

The media already loves to shit on us and treat us like reek on a rack and he's sat there post-match, in a toddlers huff and given them more fuel to do it with.

Fucking fraudulent.

This fanbase has been wanting nothing but trophies forever; it's not US that have been the fucking problem, that would be BALDCUNT!

We've been begging that bastard to deliver trophies, and have been fully behind THE CLUB, consistently and loyally, even though he's failed miserably in doing so.

We've been emotionally abused and our love of the club has been exploited since he's been here and now we have to have a johnny-come-lately bowl in here - not even remotely interested in discovering, exploring and understanding the heart and soul of the fans - to pile in on top of it.

Disgusting.

THE FANS have not been the fucking problem - apart from the few who want to have that bald mthrfkr remain here to maintain mediocrity - and no cunt on this planet is going to gaslight me that we are.

Ange, put up or shut the fuck up and fuck off.

Enough talking.

DO IT.

And don't you dare try and use us as a buffer for any future failure.

Scumbag move.

Why I respect Conte - at least he came directly at the source!

Like a fucking MAN.
I’m glad you haven’t taken Ange’s comments too much to heart thinky!







😋
 
Impatient because we wanted to WIN.

Thanks for supporting my argument.
Exactly. What a shock, a club that is one of europes biggest and has a trophy winning history, has a fan base that demands success.

It’s not us fans that are the issue. It’s the owners, managers and players that need to step up and deliver. If not, piss off somewhere else and have an easy life.

As a fan base I think we are actually more tolerant and patient than most other clubs our size.

As Kane said, losing two games in a row at spurs was not the end of the world.

That comment alone shows the mentality of the club from owners to players. But not us supporters because losing 2 in a row does fucking matter to me.
 
You're talking rubbish and wasting my time.

Please go away and clear your head.

Nah mate - youre entire rant is based on hyperbole as usual and you are choosing to take some of the things as he said out of context to make a point that frankly doesn't exist.

If you can find me a quote to backup anything you are saying then fine - but i can find you plenty that counter your claims about what he has said and what he cares about.

"There’s no other reason I do what I do. I want to bring success to this football club and play in a certain way. That never changes - I’m uncompromising in that. Success, for me, is winning things.

"But it’s not a desperation around just winning something, because I just don’t think that gets you a sustainable opportunity to be successful. The foundation is just to play the game a certain way, which I believe brings success but also excites the punters."

They’ve just got pictures of Bill Nicholson and people who have actually achieved. That’s where I want to get us. The funny thing is if you win trophies, you tend to have bragging rights as well. I just want to make sure we stay clearly disciplined and focused. It would be easy for me to say that getting one over your rivals is most important. You could do that and not win anything and I would feel great about myself and maybe the fans feel good about me, but we can’t be successful if that’s our goal. Success to me is winning trophies and until we do that, we have just got to make sure we stay laser-focused on what we want to achieve."

"I’m here because I want to create a club that has the opportunity to win things on a yearly basis,”

“I don’t see fourth as the prize. I don’t want to finish fourth if we haven’t grown and developed as a team. Part of the narrative is to push you in these kinds of positions where you think that fourth is some kind of achievement that gives you something for next year. Fourth would be great if I feel like we’re growing as a team, and we’re creating something that is going to bring us success next year. But fourth is not our goal... If we finish fifth, and if I think we’ve got a team to challenge next year, then I won’t be disappointed."
 
Funny thing is, I've clearly been swimming upstream for months about not liking him and wanting him gone.


And now everyone is pissed at him for saying the absolute fucking truth - I'm on his side.
Utterly fucking embarrassing support. I used to pride myself on being better than mickey mouse fans like West Ham, who never won anything so only ever took pride in us not winning something.


And here we are. 2024.
WHU of NL.


Fucking. Losers.

Strange brand of supporter. To not get the context is like talking a different language.

Leave us to our losers' mentality.

Pathetic.
 
As I stated earlier the problem with our second half of the season is tyhe injury problems in Midfield and Attack
Yes we've had injuries but they're a direct consequence of the chaos-ball football we play which constantly leaves our players having to sprint back making last ditch tackles.

Also we will have plenty more games next season, so our injury situation is only likely to get worse not better.
 
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