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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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5th place finish is excellent compared to last season. However there are two disappointing factors:
1. We are still miles behind city, woowlich and liverpool.
2. The last 4 losses not counting city loss were awful against fulham, liverpool, chelsea and Newcastle. These matches cost us top 4.

We should have done better considering we had no Thursday European matches compared to all current top 4 teams.

We should have finished on 70 points plus.

As for trophies, can't see it in current squad, we need at least 2/3 top players to get there.
 
nasm_f said:
I notice still no answer to the question of how many games we have controlled from start to finish and won convincingly?

I know it's a small sample size what with 3 cup games etc but shouldn't be too hard to answer given we apparently have the best man in charge...
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Are you asking about this season or during the last 5 years because I’m struggling to think of many during that time period?
 
1chriswaddle said:
I’ve stayed out of the Ange debate to this point but fwiw ( not a lot ) here are my views
I enjoy watching our football more than under Mourinho and Conte.
Ange has an arrogance about him which I am uncomfortable with- if you want to behave like Pep best you have a Pep like CV. Better still be gracious and engaging at all times.
When Liverpool rumours circulated after the Klopp news Ange did little to express his loyalty to Spurs or to distance himself from the Anfield role. I didn’t like that.
Our defensive record this season is hugely unimpressive, especially with Romero and VdV in the team - both of whom are individually excellent.This defensive frailty is 100% down to coaching/ tactics and is therefore entirely on Ange.
I didn’t overly care for his comments after the City game.

At this point I am not in the Ange out camp and still hope that he can deliver us a team that is both defensively solid and exciting to watch. Time will tell.
I’m going to Sheffield tomorrow, hopefully we get (at least ) the point we need.COYS.
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I watched L’pool away match on tv and was irritated that after it finished he was on the pitch, all smiles, back slapping / hugging L’pool players as he crossed over to our lot. He wasn’t so bothered in that moment about shipping 4 goals and loosing the match. Where was his disappointment & anger then??
 
Hrytn said:
5th place finish is excellent compared to last season. However there are two disappointing factors:
1. We are still miles behind city, woowlich and liverpool.
2. The last 4 losses not counting city loss were awful against fulham, liverpool, chelsea and Newcastle. These matches cost us top 4.

We should have done better considering we had no Thursday European matches compared to all current top 4 teams.

We should have finished on 70 points plus.

As for trophies, can't see it in current squad, we need at least 2/3 top players to get there.
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No they didn’t.

Losing to wolves, Villa and West Ham at home and throwing away wins at Everton and wolves did. We should have an extra 14 points right there. Do you not remember being almighty pissed off at the West Ham games for instance?

It was during and after those games that I knew we were going to fuck the season up in terms of finishing position.
 
Ionman34 said:
LMAO, latched onto that morsel rather quickly, but OK, 19 out of 20 were deserved wins. So 5% of our wins were undeserved. Break out the high fives.

Bournemouth, Forest, Luton, Brighton, the list goes on. Look at the facts, that you seem so fixated on, about the games over the full 90 minutes. By every metric, we were the superior side. Created more, had the greater possession, more shots, more shots on target, greater goal expectancy. Those are facts that determine we deserved every single win.

In a word, dominance.

To even suggest that we were lucky to win any of those games is borderline stupidity. So those teams had decent spells in those games, what of it? To expect any team to dominate every game, from first minute to last, is abject lunacy. Not even City can do that, and they're the best team on the planet.

Not only did you start the excavator up, you went and hit a gas main with it!

Soak your head for a bit, give it a wobble, then have a lie down mate, you need it.
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If you think we dominated every single win we've had this season then there's no point continuing this discussion, you believe in Ange more than the bloke does himself, chapeau.
 
nasm_f said:
If you think we dominated every single win we've had this season then there's no point continuing this discussion, you believe in Ange more than the bloke does himself, chapeau.
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I do, the facts back it up too. I guess that's why you've thrown in the towel. Your question, and the subsequent debate that followed, had absolutely nothing to do with my faith in AP. It's simple facts again.

Now then, you've had the question you were so 'vocal' about getting answered, answered. Now it's your turn...

What other manager, in English Football history; not just the Prem, has managed to dominate every minute of every game they have won in their first season?

I mean, I'm being fair here, I'm just basically using the same parameters that you've applied to our manager.

I'll wait patiently to see if you actually have the stones to answer the question, or if you'll use the same deflection whilst cranking the TBM up.
 
In terms of his 'system', I think the lack of games in this respect has actually really hurt us. The long times between games has taken away any fluidity and players struggle to build relationships on the pitch. There's no substitute for game time. Half these players coming back from long term injuries playing 3/4 games a month is no good. They can't get rhythm. With Europe next season, more games and a solid 14/15 players playing regularly together, I think we'll see improvement.
 
Ionman34 said:
I do, the facts back it up too. I guess that's why you've thrown in the towel. Your question, and the subsequent debate that followed, had absolutely nothing to do with my faith in AP. It's simple facts again.

Now then, you've had the question you were so 'vocal' about getting answered, answered. Now it's your turn...

What other manager, in English Football history; not just the Prem, has managed to dominate every minute of every game they have won in their first season?

I mean, I'm being fair here, I'm just basically using the same parameters that you've applied to our manager.

I'll wait patiently to see if you actually have the stones to answer the question, or if you'll use the same deflection whilst cranking the TBM up.
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Don't worry, he'll tell you it's 'irrelevant' and use some sort of mental gymnastics to avoid the question...

Edit - I knew it, predictable as hell 😆
 
Ionman34 said:
I do, the facts back it up too. I guess that's why you've thrown in the towel. Your question, and the subsequent debate that followed, had absolutely nothing to do with my faith in AP. It's simple facts again.

Now then, you've had the question you were so 'vocal' about getting answered, answered. Now it's your turn...

What other manager, in English Football history; not just the Prem, has managed to dominate every minute of every game they have won in their first season?

I mean, I'm being fair here, I'm just basically using the same parameters that you've applied to our manager.

I'll wait patiently to see if you actually have the stones to answer the question, or if you'll use the same deflection whilst cranking the TBM up.
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According to you, AP.

Childish talk of throwing in towels is cute as is making stuff up, what parameters did I apply to the manager, where did I say he should have controlled and dominated every minute of of every game that we've won?

I simple asked how many games have we controlled and won convincingly this season?

The other cultist couldn't answer and you've answered by saying we've dominated every single game we've won which is blatantly not true so like I said, no point debating.
 
nasm_f said:
According to you, AP.

Childish talk of throwing in towels is cute as is making stuff up, what parameters did I apply to the manager, where did I say he should have controlled and dominated every minute of of every game that we've won?

I simple asked how many games have we controlled and won convincingly this season?

The other cultist couldn't answer and you've answered by saying we've dominated every single game we've won which is blatantly not true so like I said, no point debating.
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Your question is not genuine.

Games in the premier league can usually go both ways. There are very few comprehensive victories. Our win away to villa was a good example of a game that felt like it would only have one winner. Our game away to Chelsea was similar but the other way.

There are wins and losses where we edge it but it could go both ways - we didn’t deserve to lose to two late wolves goals but Sheffield United could easily have won. We didn’t deserve the Liverpool game either. But we deserved to get more from the game away to Everton and at home to villa and Chelsea.

Then there are tight games that were a draw but of course either side could have taken one chance and it’s 3 points instead of 1 - like Woolwich at home.

Football is a low scoring game with a lot of chaos - that’s why we love it.
 
Jose Dominguez 25 said:
In terms of his 'system', I think the lack of games in this respect has actually really hurt us. The long times between games has taken away any fluidity and players struggle to build relationships on the pitch. There's no substitute for game time. Half these players coming back from long term injuries playing 3/4 games a month is no good. They can't get rhythm. With Europe next season, more games and a solid 14/15 players playing regularly together, I think we'll see improvement.
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It's certainly part of the equation. Momentum is huge. There have been plenty of ex players who've said that they never felt tired when winning, no matter how many games they played.

It's not the whole story though. We've been guilty of some awful lapses that have punished us severely, Udogie with 2 in one game as an example.

As with everything else, root cause usually tends to be human error, with other factors then exacerbating the problem.

I think AP knows this, and it's what he's continually alluding to. Discipline and mindset. If you were to cut the errors that led to goals from our season, and I mean the glaring WTF errors we've seen far too many of, then our season has a completely different perspective. I can't be arsed to do the research TBH, but maybe 6-9 points better off?

That's not even taking into account those games we lost when our squad was decimated.

When you take everything into account, this has been a fairly decent season for us. We've blooded a virtually new team, using a new system. We've had some great performances, some awful performances and some meh performances. Virtually everyone is new to everyone else, with new players, new manager, new coaches and new upper management. Put all of that into context, and 5th is actually a very decent return, considering the state we were in last season. To do that, whilst overcoming probably the worst injury crisis we've ever seen at the club, just emphasises return.

There's a but there though, and it's our end of season form. Lack of momentum will have contributed to that for sure, but I don't think there's any excuse for our performances against the like of Fulham, that was just an extremely poor performance from any angle. Those type of games are where the discipline and mindset he wants went missing completely.

That's what he's looking to get right first and foremost, it's key to everything else.
 
nasm_f said:
According to you, AP.

Childish talk of throwing in towels is cute as is making stuff up, what parameters did I apply to the manager, where did I say he should have controlled and dominated every minute of of every game that we've won?

I simple asked how many games have we controlled and won convincingly this season?

The other cultist couldn't answer and you've answered by saying we've dominated every single game we've won which is blatantly not true so like I said, no point debating.
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Yup, no stones.

Careful with that TBM mate, they're bloody expensive.
 
Ionman34 said:
It's certainly part of the equation. Momentum is huge. There have been plenty of ex players who've said that they never felt tired when winning, no matter how many games they played.

It's not the whole story though. We've been guilty of some awful lapses that have punished us severely, Udogie with 2 in one game as an example.

As with everything else, root cause usually tends to be human error, with other factors then exacerbating the problem.

I think AP knows this, and it's what he's continually alluding to. Discipline and mindset. If you were to cut the errors that led to goals from our season, and I mean the glaring WTF errors we've seen far too many of, then our season has a completely different perspective. I can't be arsed to do the research TBH, but maybe 6-9 points better off?

That's not even taking into account those games we lost when our squad was decimated.

When you take everything into account, this has been a fairly decent season for us. We've blooded a virtually new team, using a new system. We've had some great performances, some awful performances and some meh performances. Virtually everyone is new to everyone else, with new players, new manager, new coaches and new upper management. Put all of that into context, and 5th is actually a very decent return, considering the state we were in last season. To do that, whilst overcoming probably the worst injury crisis we've ever seen at the club, just emphasises return.

There's a but there though, and it's our end of season form. Lack of momentum will have contributed to that for sure, but I don't think there's any excuse for our performances against the like of Fulham, that was just an extremely poor performance from any angle. Those type of games are where the discipline and mindset he wants went missing completely.

That's what he's looking to get right first and foremost, it's key to everything else.
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If we are 9 points better off if we made no mistakes wouldn’t every other team?

Maybe City make less mistakes than the norm and that’s what you get when you pay top wages for the most consistent and disciplined players
 
Shadydan said:
Don't worry, he'll tell you it's 'irrelevant' and use some sort of mental gymnastics to avoid the question...

Edit - I knew it, predictable as hell 😆
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It's kind of sad, but funny at the same time, watching him flounder. Hasn't offered a single rebuttal to the facts. He's gone and looked at them is why.

The pattern is always the same with these people; ask a question, give it Billy big bollocks when it isn't answered at first, deflect or shift when everything blows up in their face, then rant on about 'cults' or 'bots.'

They get a little shot in the arm when another of that type pipes up, then run back to the 'cult/bot' attack when the other goose's argument gets blown out of the water.

Predictable and not very bright.
 
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Richard Arlison said:

View: https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1791841233989464357?s=46&t=DK3x3JffKkqwqcsQdIeO_A

Most overrated Manager out there?

Or crazy genius that needs a shot at a big club?

I think he’s a jumper up little prick with a few gimmicks
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I liked him last season and wanted him in the summer but I've changed my mind.

Overrated, watch a serie a game from 20-30 years ago and there isn't much difference.

Typical Italian temperament as well, but without the CV to justify it.
 
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