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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

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Airfixx said:
In his limited game-time here he looked comfortable, hungry and a handful........ A lot of young strikers can't claim that much. Will he become prolific enough to earn a starting spot? Who knows; but I look fwd to seeing more of him..... Europa League should be the perfect environment for him to really get his hands dirty.
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I'm all for being positive on our players but I'm really not sure where you're getting that from, nothing we've seen in a Spurs shirt that suggests Veliz is even close to ready to feature for us. One miss-hit goal against Brighton doesn't move the dial, we need to see fundamentals like first touch, hold up, link up, good passing, decision making; of these we've seen more from Sarr, Kulu, and frankly even Scarlett in the #9.

There's a reason he's gotten next to no minutes at two European clubs this season. No point him rotting on our bench either, needs another loan, and further down. Maybe Champ level. Toughen him up, get him to learn the language.
 
Jeez hyping up average players not heard that one before.

Let's hope levy reads this then and gets that title charge pumping cor look out Woolwich and city Hudson odoi and Gallagher are coming to get ya

Vince Mcmahon Wwe GIF
 
Klaus said:
I'm all for being positive on our players but I'm really not sure where you're getting that from, nothing we've seen in a Spurs shirt that suggests Veliz is even close to ready to feature for us.
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I just explained where my positivity comes from (if you don't share in it then c'est la vie). Mine's not a pledge that he should be an EPL regular at this stage.....

Loans are so hit and miss..... Surrounded by better players will help you develop quicker if the ceiling is there.
 
Airfixx said:
I just explained where my positivity comes from (if you don't share in it then c'est la vie). Mine's not a pledge that he should be an EPL regular at this stage.....

Loans are so hit and miss..... Surrounded by better players will help you develop quicker if the ceiling is there.
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Loans are hit and miss yes, but they're a lot more "hit" than keeping them in our reserves. How many academy players have managed to successfully transitioned to the first team without sending them on loan? Maybe just Winks in the last decade? Look at what loans did for the likes of Kane and Skipp, and are doing now for Parrott, Rodon, Tanganga, not to mention countless others at other clubs. Loans are basically the reason Brighton have risen 4 divisions.

Loans are sink or swim, and yes some players do sink, Veliz could be one of them. But that's the risk you take. The reward is the ones who swim are mentally stronger for the experience, and you could end up unearthing the next Kane.
 
Starks said:
You're clearly a man ahead of the curve.
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Yeah mate, a four year old comment back when Hudson Odoi was a really interesting prospect. Since then he's gone backwards in that four year period and averages one top game in five, with worse numbers than Anthony Elanga.

Our fans getting giddy over Hudson Odoi aka tekkier Andros Townsend in 2024 is brilliant stuff. Just sign Elanga, at least he passes the ball and crosses accurately as opposed to being a glory merchant doing alright* in a purely counter attacking setup.

* And I do mean 'alright' btw. 8 goals 1 assists in 29 games is not great.
 
Airfixx said:
There's no magic formula to buying player from South America; just like there isn't when scouting France or Netherlands.

In his limited game-time here he looked comfortable, hungry and a handful........ A lot of young strikers can't claim that much. Will he become prolific enough to earn a starting spot? Who knows; but I look fwd to seeing more of him..... Europa League should be the perfect environment for him to really get his hands dirty.
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He's had a few sub appearances for the first team at Spurs, but in total maybe 45 mins tops his season.

In u21's he came on as sub for 18 year old Will Lankshear in EFL Cup against a L1 side for last 30 mins, but the 18 year old had scored and made the L1 side work : I don't think Veliz looked better which being 2 years older and with about 60 professional games in Argentinian league I might have expected. He played a 2nd full game for u21's in EFL where he scored, but he wasn't finding it comfortable against the L1 defence and u21's lost.

My guess is what he needs is probably a full year's loan to a L1 side to get up to speed, particularly since his last extended game time was a year ago with his club followed in June 2023 with Argentinian u20 side - if he looks like he's walking L1 by Christmas move him to a Championship club for the 2nd half of the season.

What would be bad for him is getting a few appearances here and there with Spurs first team and taking one of the 17 overseas trained player places in EL.
 
Klaus said:
Loans are hit and miss yes, but they're a lot more "hit" than keeping them in our reserves. How many academy players have managed to successfully transitioned to the first team without sending them on loan? Maybe just Winks in the last decade? Look at what loans did for the likes of Kane and Skipp, and are doing now for Parrott, Rodon, Tanganga, not to mention countless others at other clubs.

Loans are sink or swim, and yes some players do sink, Veliz could be one of them. But that's the risk you take. The reward is the ones who swim are mentally stronger for the experience, and you unearth the next Kane.
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At no point have I implied we should keep him here and let him rot.......... The key component to my suggestion is of course dependent on IF Ange thinks he's gonna play him enough to make it work.

FWIW; I don't think we'd have loaned Veliz out if we hadn't cocked up with not being allowed to send Scarlett back out in January.

Not sure the correlation between Parrott (who has struggled in the champo), Rodon (already up and running at Swansea, but continue that upward curve here here) & Tanganga (spent all his time here until this season). Skipp too spent his late teens here before his year at Norwich (he played away at Barca, no less!)........ Regardless; plenty of clubs have brought young players through themselves - It's not a radical concept.
 
Spursidol said:
He's had a few sub appearances for the first team at Spurs, but in total maybe 45 mins tops his season.

In u21's he came on as sub for 18 year old Will Lankshear in EFL Cup against a L1 side for last 30 mins, but the 18 year old had scored and made the L1 side work : I don't think Veliz looked better which being 2 years older and with about 60 professional games in Argentinian league I might have expected. He played a 2nd full game for u21's in EFL where he scored, but he wasn't finding it comfortable against the L1 defence and u21's lost.

My guess is what he needs is probably a full year's loan to a L1 side to get up to speed, particularly since his last extended game time was a year ago with his club followed in June 2023 with Argentinian u20 side - if he looks like he's walking L1 by Christmas move him to a Championship club for the 2nd half of the season.

What would be bad for him is getting a few appearances here and there with Spurs first team and taking one of the 17 overseas trained player places in EL.
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Not gonna claim to have seen his U21s apps......

But yeh, whatever the plan; don't starve him.
 
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Deuterz said:
Yeah mate, a four year old comment back when Hudson Odoi was a really interesting prospect. Since then he's gone backwards in that four year period and averages one top game in five, with worse numbers than Anthony Elanga.

Our fans getting giddy over Hudson Odoi aka tekkier Andros Townsend in 2024 is brilliant stuff. Just sign Elanga, at least he passes the ball and crosses accurately as opposed to being a glory merchant doing alright* in a purely counter attacking setup.

* And I do mean 'alright' btw. 8 goals 1 assists in 29 games is not great.
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Who you want?
 
Leaving aside how embarrassing it would be to buy Forest’s Brennan Johnson replacement for triple the fee…

Callum Hudson-Odoi and Anthony Elanga are clearly better wingers than Dejan Kulusevski.
 
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