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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

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How Dry should our Powder be?

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Shadydan said:
Oh wow, 1 deal out of millions of deals in football lmao 😆

You are arguing the exception, please stop doing that unless you have any other examples please provide them if so.

Fee agreed - deal is done, you just need to accept it I'm afraid.

Not that it matters anyway, it's not even that deep...I'm just arguing because I'm bored tbh.
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Evidently.

I'm arguing the rule. It's rather a simple one. No deal is "done" until everyone has signed the contracts. It's a fundamental fact in all seriousness business dealings.
 
Starks said:
Very very similar to Richarlison when it comes to the data. But then, we might aswell just keep Richarlison!?
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Don't think they're similar at all tbh.

Richarlison is a striker who basically hangs on the last line and gets on the end of crosses and/or headers. Decent first time finish when he doesn't have too much time to think, poor first touch, not a good passer. Decent enough battler.

David is a guy who drops deep, good first touch, great passer, good link up. False 9 type. Probably doesn't get on the end of crosses as much as Richarlison.
 
thinktank said:
Nah, I'm good, mate.

If this is the path, then I know what's at the end of it.

And I'll just detach and observe.

No appetite for any more false dawns.
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Looks like Gimenez is a BS link anyway so we can both breath easy.

if David is high on the least I would guess that means Richy is staying and we end up going back in for a Kubo type on the RW.

If we did something like this:

David
Kubo
Eze

For the attacking refresh. I can get behind that.
 
Richard Arlison said:
So, with data it's going to be more than the data we have publicly available that they are using and we definitely have no ideas what filter profiles they would be using.

Maybe Gyokeres and Gimenez look to have a similar profile on the numbers publicly available, that could just be coincidence that we have also been linked to both.

Even then data will only be part of the picture as well. These days I feel like data led approach can also be a bit of a buzzword and maybe they consider certain things in the data but end of the day Ange still watches them play and gets on the blower to make sure they aren't a total weapon.
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Data definitely seems to be the buzzword.

Said it before, some of the profiles we have been linked with all differ in the data so what data is actually driving them?

If its purely statistical then I can see why Jonathan David WOULD be of interest.

3620 minutes played last season (40 games) - 26 goals and 9 assists. Goal or assist every 103 minutes.

3421 minutes played the season before (38 games) - 26 goals, 4 assists. Goal or assist every 114 minutes.

3654 minutes the year before (41 games) - 19 goals and 0 assists. Goal or assist every 192 minutes.

Maybe that's the profile and character Ange wants? Hes someone who emigrated to Canada at a young age, was rejected at youth level by clubs in Europe yet still managed to make it there (and win Ligue 1 with Lille), clear improvement year on year...

I'm not an expert of David. And there's a few on here who have watched and aren't impressed by him. But there were also a few who weren't impressed by Vicario and Van De Ven aswell as a long list of others.

Saying that. I dont think we'll sign him anyway. 😂
 
Klaus said:
Don't think they're similar at all tbh.

Richarlison is a striker who basically hangs on the last line and gets on the end of crosses and/or headers. Decent first time finish when he doesn't have too much time to think, poor first touch, not a good passer. Decent enough battler.

David is a guy who drops deep, good first touch, great passer, good link up. False 9 type. Probably doesn't get on the end of crosses as much as Richarlison.
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That's why I don't understand the data and what it can tell you.

I agree that I don't think they're similar. David is a much better all rounder than Richarlison. Much more intelligent.

But the data tells me that they actually are pretty similar in terms of profile. But then, David is very different to someone like Solanke who we've also been linked with or Toney. (who luckily, we've now rubbished)
 
Starks said:
Data definitely seems to be the buzzword.

Said it before, some of the profiles we have been linked with all differ in the data so what data is actually driving them?

If its purely statistical then I can see why Jonathan David WOULD be of interest.

3620 minutes played last season (40 games) - 26 goals and 9 assists. Goal or assist every 103 minutes.

3421 minutes played the season before (38 games) - 26 goals, 4 assists. Goal or assist every 114 minutes.

3654 minutes the year before (41 games) - 19 goals and 0 assists. Goal or assist every 192 minutes.

Maybe that's the profile and character Ange wants? Hes someone who emigrated to Canada at a young age, was rejected at youth level by clubs in Europe yet still managed to make it there (and win Ligue 1 with Lille), clear improvement year on year...

I'm not an expert of David. And there's a few on here who have watched and aren't impressed by him. But there were also a few who weren't impressed by Vicario and Van De Ven aswell as a long list of others.

Saying that. I dont think we'll sign him anyway. 😂
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He had a shit world cup and everyone cooled off but he was VERY young for a striker at the time.

We know strikers often mature late. Could be the pattern recognition to sniff out chances and knowing the timing for their movement can take more experience. Also banging against CBs requires physical maturity.

David is only 24 now and as you put his scoring has only got more efficient.

If we start next season with David and Richy, I can get on board with that, IF we sign a game-changer or 2 in other positions like Kubo and Eze for example.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Looks like Gimenez is a BS link anyway so we can both breath easy.

if David is high on the least I would guess that means Richy is staying and we end up going back in for a Kubo type on the RW.

If we did something like this:

David
Kubo
Eze

For the attacking refresh. I can get behind that.
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You'll probably be begging for Giminez when Levy pulls his next Rasiak stunt.
 
Ionman34 said:
Evidently.

I'm arguing the rule. It's rather a simple one. No deal is "done" until everyone has signed the contracts. It's a fundamental fact in all seriousness business dealings.
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Nah you're not, the rule means a circumstance which happens more often than not, all you've done is given me an example of a transfer which happened nearly 10 years ago, that's called an exception.

If you don't have any more examples, let's draw a line under this debate, thank you.
 
Smogz said:
You are all idiots! (I mean it, but I also want to reach 1000 pages)
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You are flattering me!!!

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Klaus said:
Don't think they're similar at all tbh.

Richarlison is a striker who basically hangs on the last line and gets on the end of crosses and/or headers. Decent first time finish when he doesn't have too much time to think, poor first touch, not a good passer. Decent enough battler.

David is a guy who drops deep, good first touch, great passer, good link up. False 9 type. Probably doesn't get on the end of crosses as much as Richarlison.
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This seems to align with your take
 
Starks said:

View: https://x.com/YedIin/status/1805211345249292632?t=WUFaR6VYo-oajtXTXLYb4Q&s=19

Jake is a Canadian Spurs fan so good opinion on him.
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Firmimho type profile is EXACTLY what I was chatting about with Jaynola Jaynola and maybe Doc Doc or nicoclaesen

If we find a CF that can press, drop deep and link play but also has a nose for a decent number of goals, that makes the forwards on either side even more dangerous
 
Brian Fantana said:
This reads like a briefing from the club. Honestly I’m still not convinced we buy another striker. The noises coming out of the club are so underwhelming and the options so shit.


View: https://x.com/alasdairgold/status/1805242620727201974?s=61&t=lOJ_HDnbTWvSuVGs5km_Hg
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Honestly, good. Other than Gyokeres the striker market is awful this year. Just sign two wingers and give Richarlison, Son, Veliz the keys to the CF position for one more year
 
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Right as Rain said:
Honestly, good. Other than Gyokeres the striker market is awful this year. Just sign two wingers and give Son and Richarlison the keys to the CF position for one more year
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I am not even sold on him. He hasn’t done enough for the amount he’d cost.

We have Son for the left wing and Werner the back up. It’s the bringing in of Werner that bothers me the most because ot closes down the possibility of bringing a good player in there. I just think we will fuck it up. It feels like a 2018 window coming up.

To get a proven goal scorer though you need to pay the big bucks. To get top of the line costs an unbelievable amount of money which we won’t spend. Saying that, I don’t even know who. It’s almost worth just scouting them heavily and buying three for £20 million each and hoping one comes off.
 
Kaz Hirai said:
sorry the implication that he has no ambition or his standards are to low to sign or work with world class players because of his background is frankly ridiculous.
At first read I assumed it was satire , but whatever :ange-facepalm:
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That's not how I read it.
Just that his previous jobs were in piss weak leagues, where players like Brennan Johnson would be many, many levels above the rest of the players in the league.
After coming from those leagues, and those levels of players, he is over his head at spotting the better players.
That's how I read it.

The only issue I have with it, is that as usual, I doubt the coach has much say over transfers as he says he does.
 
Brian Fantana said:
I am not even sold on him. He hasn’t done enough for the amount he’d cost.

We have Son for the left wing and Werner the back up. It’s the bringing in of Werner that bothers me the most because ot closes down the possibility of bringing a good player in there. I just think we will fuck it up. It feels like a 2018 window coming up.

To get a proven goal scorer though you need to pay the big bucks. To get top of the line costs an unbelievable amount of money which we won’t spend. Saying that, I don’t even know who. It’s almost worth just scouting them heavily and buying three for £20 million each and hoping one comes off.
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I watched Gyokeres pretty much every week this season. He's 100% worth it, but it doesn't matter because we're never paying the price for him anyway
 
Right as Rain said:
I watched Gyokeres pretty much every week this season. He's 100% worth it, but it doesn't matter because we're never paying the price for him anyway
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Got Arse written all over him.
I vaguely recall seeing him a few times for Coventry and then saw he'd gone to Sporting, so have NFI if he's any good.
But no one is getting Isaak now, so next on the list seems to be this guy.
 
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