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Match Tottenham VS Bayern Munich. August 10th at 17:30 - live on TNT 1

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No improvement from last season on defending very worrying.
Going to be a long hard season, set pieces and being carved open so easily is a big problem.
Just not sure on dragusin. Davies great servant but needs to be released. We need cover for udogie. Not sure what the situation is with phillips. No more wingers though ange. Doing my head in us always being linked with wingers. We have enough although i think we will get david.
 
I'm genuinely fascinated by the oh it's preseason "you remember that year we won all the games ..." It's not about the results it's about the patterns of play repeated mistakes and continuing issues that seem very much unchanged since seasons end. I'm actually worried about us not as yet fixing the 'broken windows' I'm also intrigued by aspects of who is coaching what. Has anyone seen Mason? Genuinely interested I'd his profile has diminished .
Yeah, some people just shouldn't watch football.

Or watch and just keep quiet.

Ange is stubborn and stuck in a paradigm.

Still feel he's totally underestimating the prem and we will get punished at the back in many games.

Hoping he's got a few tactical surprises up his sleeve.

Praying, in fact.
 
Lads, what do we think is going on with Madders? Up until the Chelsea game last year he looked like a PL POY candidate.

Now he’s offering very little and really struggling to influence the game.

Is he just an incredibly patchy player? Did we rush him back too soon? I can’t fathom what’s going on.
 
I'm genuinely fascinated by the oh it's preseason "you remember that year we won all the games ..." It's not about the results it's about the patterns of play repeated mistakes and continuing issues that seem very much unchanged since seasons end. I'm actually worried about us not as yet fixing the 'broken windows' I'm also intrigued by aspects of who is coaching what. Has anyone seen Mason? Genuinely interested has his profile diminished .
I don’t get how anyone can watch a Spurs game and not judge us on the good and the bad of what they see. It’s crazy.

The game certainly wasn’t played like a friendly…..
 
Bergvall is brilliant. Gray is a great back up for Porro and can push him every week. Deki best of the front three. Sonny,Johnson and Werner are just Sonny Johnson and Werner. Sarr should not start against Leicester. Madders shouldn’t but will. Vic is a disaster waiting to happen. Hope this is the game that gets the pre season shit out his game. Udogie looks well short but a full weeks training will get him up to speed hopefully.

Don’t know if any of you noticed or I’m making stuff up in my head but on a few occasions I saw Udogie and Bergvall refusing to play a pass to Werner when they should’ve. That’s a lack of trust in a team mate. I honestly don’t understand why Werner is at this club. Mikey Moore is much better already.
vic is fine when he goes long. but yea he defo trys to do what hes been told too when he needs to use his initiative and just go long. theres times that you can tell its really not safe to play out and its just self harm.

udogie defo gave up the chance to pass to werner and tried to do it himself and it cost us what could of been a chance had he passed. if they are refusing to pass to him thats a big problem. by the way, udogie is hardly perfect! hangs on the ball too long for my liking.
 
Lads, what do we think is going on with Madders? Up until the Chelsea game last year he looked like a PL POY candidate.

Now he’s offering very little and really struggling to influence the game.

Is he just an incredibly patchy player? Did we rush him back too soon? I can’t fathom what’s going on.

It’s simple really. He’s no where near as good as people make out. He’s built like a 16 year old kid ffs. Kimmich and the rest of the Bayern midfield just rag dolled and flicked him away like an annoying fly. Technically he’s a good player but he seriously needs to get himself into the gym and do some weight training. He’s doing my nut in seeing him fall to the ground and people just brushing him off.
 
The good thing is we didn't buy any of them.

Lets hope Ange is brave enough to give Moore a shot at LW when Son inevitably goes missing and Werner stinks the place out.

Solomon is hopefully sold this month and then we never have to hear of Werner again after this season.

Moore looks a year or so off the physical development needed, this season might be one too early to nail the role. The brain and skill looks great though.
 
I would say that we definitely need another dynamic winger who can take a man on and probably a back up to Udogie. But going off today, I think we are in alright shape with Solanke to come in as well.

Some on here need to give their head a wobble if they’re taking too many negatives from this game.
I can only speak for myself and discounting that it's pre-season only goes so far. We've been conceding the same sorts of goals we did last year in all the games, with set pieces and the defence being exposed a huge worry.

Granted this was the first time Romero and Micky played, but it still happened when they played last year.

For me, it's clear we just aren't learning. Making mistakes is fine, it's how you learn. But when you don't learn it's criminal.
 
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