He can do it. Not arguing that I’m saying I don’t want him to be needed to do it.
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He can do it. Not arguing that I’m saying I don’t want him to be needed to do it.
Yep mate my bad, the average league positions trophy is of course a coveted one.
Two of those will be playing FB, so really it's Saliba, Gabriel, Kwior and who ever isn't playing RB out of White and Timber.
And yet, there you are in your post, banging on about Woolwich’s divine right to finish higher than us after they’ve done it twice and have won fuck all in that time.
So, obviously league position matters to you.
70% or more of the matches I watch are Spurs league games and no apologies from me to want to win as many of them as possible even if we don’t win the league. You do you.
I’m done with non-transfer talk now.
We could solve two of our biggest 3 problems with 15m euros (Hermoso & Chiesa). There is no excuse IMO.
1 was released by Atletico cause he's not up to standard, the other is not getting renewed by Juventus cause they don't think he's worth what he's asking for. Smells of short termism that will just create deadwood.
The 2 FA Cups they won I must have hallucinated.
No shit.
Yeah cool brother, hope the team you watch for 30% or less are worth it.
What problem does Chiesa solve?
He’s much more dangerous LW than RW and but really a 1v1 threat
He's definitely more dangerous on the right than he is on the left, the stats prove it and an absolute elite dribbler.
Lost some explosiveness due to injuries but still a ridiculously good footballer capable of actually keeping the ball, can combine with team mates and he actually passes and moves.
God, I loved peak Chiesa.
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Interesting that one of the criteria is being able to hand 40-50 games. Hopefully this means we're taking Europa and the cups seriously, and are planning to play our starters.
Not true. Atletico offered him a new contract, he rejected it. If he wasn't up to standard, he wouldn't have been their 4th most used player last season.
Juve are broke, they can't afford to pay him what he is worth. Chiesa is probably the best winger we could sign right now, not short termism at all.
His best ever season was playing RW for Fiorentina, he is dangerous on both wings. I assume you meant "not really a 1v1 threat" and if so, I completely disagree, he is excellent 1v1.
I get you, but I don't think that's the point being made. We have improved and, purely from the perspective of average position at the top end, it is the best decade in our history. From a trophy winnings perspective, it most definitely isn't.
Like I said, both can be true.
I don't think it's being "supported" either, it's just another viewpoint on where we are from where we were.
I started going to WHL in 1975. 2 years later we were relegated, then 4 years after that winning the FA Cup twice in a row, with the Cup Winners Cup to cap it off. Then Scholar screwed us.
I think there's far too many caught up in this ENIC love/hate argument, which is used as an excuse to snipe at each other. We all fall victim to it, and it blinds us to what can be valid arguments on both sides. As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Have we improved under ENIC? The answer is both yes and no. We've gone from an absolute shambles of a club, almost going under, to one of the biggest clubs on Earth. That is improvement. Has it brought the success we crave? No it hasn't, though we've got bloody close you have to admit. Could ENIC have gone that extra mile to get that success? Yes they could have, but would it have been at the expense of our long term goals? Quite possibly. Could and should our players have stepped up when it mattered? IMO absolutely. At those key moments when it really REALLY mattered, they were found wanting. Kane is the prime example of this. Not one single key contribution on those occasions when it really REALLY mattered. It wasn't just Kane though, we had some terrific players that didn't do it at key times.
The point I'm making is that there are a lot of variables that have contributed to that trophy glut. One of the key ones being that for many of those years, 2 teams in particular cheated their way to those trophies.
There is no doubt in my mind that ENIC most certainly could have done better, no one here will ever argue with that, but there's more behind it that, if you view the whole rather than focusing on one aspect, explains why you have a counterargument. It's not fans accepting mediocrity, it's simply that there are those of us that look beyond the obvious.
I'm pretty damn sure that, if you took that step back and considered all aspects, you could see the perspective. It doesn't mean that your viewpoint is wrong, just that it's not as Black and White as you may think.
Back to that both can be true.
IMO, there's too much binary thinking., along with impatience. Don't get me wrong, I'm no different to you, in that I absolutely crave that success we've been denied, but I've been waiting longer than most for that top honour. All I have are my Dad's stories of what he experienced, and I desperately want that feeling myself. However, being as long in the tooth as I am, I know that immediate success comes with a price that virtually no one can afford, unless they're backed by a nation state/oil baron, and even they cheated to do so.
I've lived through us trying that once, I never want to see it again, as I love the club more than I love trophies.
Having said that, I do believe that the club could do a lot more without putting us in that position again, so again we're back to that both can be right position.
What I can't stomach is the division, and those that go out of their way to perpetuate it. It's the inability and unwillingness to see both sides of the argument that rankles with me.
The long and the short is that everyone on here wants EXACTLY the same thing, Tottenham Hotspur at the top of the tree. How we think we should get there might differ, but we all want the same.
I respect your intelligence, and I honestly think that if you set the emotion to one side, you'll see where I'm coming from. Differences of opinion matter, but being open to those differences moreso.
Kubo doesn't fit the profile IMO, cuts in too much and doesn't have good acceleration. Adingra is an exciting prospect, but lacks end product..
There's no concern on my end about being able to fill in that spot if we were in a pinch, but I don't want to see us rely on him in that spot. I guess for me it comes down to what is net worst scenario.
On one hand we have deeper cover at CB than LB, so if you moved VDV to fill in for Udogie than Drausin or even Davies can help pick up the slack. Where my biggest concern is that you are moving one of our most important players out of his optimal role, breaking up the Romero partnership, and ultimately we will run VDV into the ground in that spot.
Not trying to undermine the importance of that role in our system at all, but I would much rather utilize Spence or Gray if Udogie wasn't available for a period of time instead of moving VDV into that role.
Agreed, and I'm not saying it's easy or that Levy just needs to pay the money. I just don't like the idea of utilizing VDV in that spot just because he can. I think it leads to worse potential outcome than moving around some other pieces to make it work.
I think we're in agreement here. I'm not advocating VDV as our go to back up for LB, I'm on record as stating that Spence would be my immediate go to in the event that Udogie was out. VDV would be after him, and only if we're in an absolute bind from injuries. He should be LCB until it's absolutely necessary to move him out there, not as a rotation option.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that another LB is necessary, I just don't feel it is as immediate a priority as a right winger, but that's just my opinion. I accept that I can be wrong here, and accept that those seeing another LB as priority could be right. No one's opinion is infallible.
He’s not peak Chiesa these days though and he was always more a Son style 1v1 dribbler who was more dangerous at pace as opposed to a 1v1 guy who could beat you from a stand still.
There has to be a reason nobody is picking him up