And yet it works....
Over and over.
They know we're about as much threat as a small child
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Over and over.
They know we're about as much threat as a small child
You're either extremely optimistic though all the evidence, or you're seeing something most of us aren't.
We seem to be getting easier to play against.
If Spurs were pointed in the right direction and things were getting better at the club, you could understand the manager dropping the zipper to dish out quotes like "I not interested in set pieces and I'm very comfortable with that".Ange being questioned by the media because he gave them ammunition with stupid quotes in May.
'I'm not interested,' said Tottenham's boss ahead of Thursday's trip to Chelsea. 'Never have been. Not in the least.
'It's not the first time I've been questioned about set-pieces in my coaching career. There is an underlying reason for that which I'm very, very comfortable with.
'To quote Billy Joel, you may be right, I may be crazy, but it's maybe a lunatic you're looking for.'
And he added: 'Eventually I will create a team that has success and it won't be because of working on set-pieces.'
Postecoglou admits he's 'not interested' in Spurs' set piece struggles
MATT BARLOW: Postecoglou admits everyone else may be right. Admits he might be crazy. But his views on Spurs' set-piece strategy won't be changed.www.dailymail.co.uk
What is that quote from May about? Being too honest? Bravado? Arrogance? Naivety? Sarcasm?
As it stands, he's 18 months in and no progress has been made. The club is no better off than he started from other than some dead weight being dropped off, and he's brought nothing more than two lost seasons. After boasting that he always wins things in his second year?
If this isn't a time for self-reflection, questioning things, changing tactics, when would that be?
It feels like Ange's run is reaching its culmination.
We can't really expect this group of players to turn things around, and we're not going to change the way we're playing, so the same results will just continue.
He doesn't haz superior talent.. Does Gary ONeill hv superior talent? Wolves just keep shipping out talent.
He spent 65M on one Striker.
55M on a winger.
46M Maddison
40M VDV
25M Dragusin
if you dont hv talent - then just play route-1 Football - dont just tikki takka at the backline.
There is not much to gain by passing to a guy who is backfacing the opposition and just out of the box facing your own goalie. The mistake could be fatal. Yet this pattern of play persist.
The biggest problem is our tactics and the way-we-play
For those saying we need to give the manager time, yesterday we started 10/11 of the players he had last year.
He's not giving time to players we paid chunks of cash for that he says he wanted or were first choice. The rhetoric and language around training is that the coaches are "amazed" by Bergvall and Gray. So why are they not starting?
The lion's share of the game time is being awarded to players that have already been with the manager for a year. It's not clicking.
He's stubborn, only has one way of playing and is inflexible. We don't prepare for the opposition, only for our way of playing and it both shows and has been countered effectively for almost all of the last 34 league games except for an outlier against 10 man Villa and teams at the bottom of the table.
He's fucking done, and limping to the November international break will only make it worse.
Brentford. United. West Ham. Palace. Villa.
How many points do we reckon? We then have Ipswich before the break, with City the first league game back.
Time to go.
He's not giving time to players we paid chunks of cash for that he says he wanted or were first choice. The rhetoric and language around training is that the coaches are "amazed" by Bergvall and Gray. So why are they not starting?
The lion's share of the game time is being awarded to players that have already been with the manager for a year. It's not clicking.
He's stubborn, only has one way of playing and is inflexible. We don't prepare for the opposition, only for our way of playing and it both shows and has been countered effectively for almost all of the last 34 league games except for an outlier against 10 man Villa and teams at the bottom of the table.
He's fucking done, and limping to the November international break will only make it worse.
Brentford. United. West Ham. Palace. Villa.
How many points do we reckon? We then have Ipswich before the break, with City the first league game back.
Time to go.
Its simple. He lets go of his vanity and ego and adapts to circumstance and accepts you cant play as you wish to every game.
Or, he is on a pathway to exit. His entire European career could be on the line, not just his Tottenham job, as how many clubs are willing to accmodate his tactical inflexability? Another thing he could do, is hire some backroom staff who are not his mates or club insiders.
Although there is no advantage in sacking him now though, lets see how he goes in the cups and Europea League. That being said he is at a minimum on sack watch.
Or, he is on a pathway to exit. His entire European career could be on the line, not just his Tottenham job, as how many clubs are willing to accmodate his tactical inflexability? Another thing he could do, is hire some backroom staff who are not his mates or club insiders.
Although there is no advantage in sacking him now though, lets see how he goes in the cups and Europea League. That being said he is at a minimum on sack watch.
The only time he actually properly changed his tactics was the City game.
The only time he showed some sort of emotion after losing the game (I'm not talking about passive aggressive comments to reporters) was the city game.
That was the game he wanted to win above every other game because he wanted to be the one the media spoke about in regards to stopping City. His ego absolutely craved it and when it didn't happen he started digging at the fans with weird little snidey comments.
The only time he showed some sort of emotion after losing the game (I'm not talking about passive aggressive comments to reporters) was the city game.
That was the game he wanted to win above every other game because he wanted to be the one the media spoke about in regards to stopping City. His ego absolutely craved it and when it didn't happen he started digging at the fans with weird little snidey comments.
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Yeah man but like, what the fuck does 2024 matter? Why are you cherry picking like that? What about August-October 23 huh? Why would you conveniently leave that out?
We all know that we should be top right now based on possession, we should have 12 out of 12, if only we'd scored more and conceded less then we would be
You gotta have faith man, the real results are the mates we made along the way...
Not much is gonna change under Ange. Not only because he is one of the most stubborn fuckers to have ever coached in this league, but also because he is very limited when it comes to tactics. People say he is a likable guy (I don't see it personally), but I'm not convinced that he is a good people manager either, certainly not when things don't go his way.
Slight overreaction.
Beating Newcastle at St James is always a difficult task. We were much better all game and should have won.
Narrowly Losing to Woolwich? We aren't a title winning squad; and cannot expect to compete with Woolwich, City this season. We did outplay them the entire game, and only lost due to Romero and Vicario switching off.
We aren't the finished package, and the squad is still growing. We need Romero to stop having brain farts, and Vicario to learn how to defend set pieces.
Beating Newcastle at St James is always a difficult task. We were much better all game and should have won.
Narrowly Losing to Woolwich? We aren't a title winning squad; and cannot expect to compete with Woolwich, City this season. We did outplay them the entire game, and only lost due to Romero and Vicario switching off.
We aren't the finished package, and the squad is still growing. We need Romero to stop having brain farts, and Vicario to learn how to defend set pieces.
Question is, what is levy up to, why did the club decide to recruit younger inexperienced players who, are not ready for the challenge ahead.
So is the club now prepared to go back to mid table for a few years, what is the plan here, ange doesn't look like he is going to last much longer.
His mistake is not finding solutions to our obvious problems. He keeps playing the same guys.
Romero has now been fucking up in another crucial goal. When does this end?
Johnson has nothing to offer. He's been found out. He should not start but Ange keeps playing him in the same role game after game.
Unfortunately it seems as if Ange will continue starting these guys because with Romero he doesn't have the balls and with Johnson there is too much prestige.
Our team apart from these guys have looked pretty good so it would be a shame to lose him this early in the season.
Romero has now been fucking up in another crucial goal. When does this end?
Johnson has nothing to offer. He's been found out. He should not start but Ange keeps playing him in the same role game after game.
Unfortunately it seems as if Ange will continue starting these guys because with Romero he doesn't have the balls and with Johnson there is too much prestige.
Our team apart from these guys have looked pretty good so it would be a shame to lose him this early in the season.
Look at the last 34 games. These signs were also there in the first "wondrous" 10 games too.
The whole thing is inflexible and relies on scoring two or more goals.
It's been figured out with ridiculous ease and I'm sorry, we should be beating our rivals at home. Whilst prone to the odd smashing at SJP go and look at our record against them over the last 10 years. More wins than you'd think.
This is 3 losses against Woolwich on the spin at home. It's a fucking disgrace by itself.
The keeper is a good shot stopper but is fucking awful on set pieces and is easily bullied. Romero is at fault for almost every goal conceded thus far this season and yet he's not dropped.
All on the manager.
Like I said, those saying "be patient, more time" and yet 10/11 starters yesterday have had a full season with him. How long do they need for it to click?
We've lost 1/3 matches we've played. In the last 12 games we've only beaten teams that are really, really shit. Fucking wake up.
At the time of the corner I said to my mate in our seats that we can’t keep giving away these soft corners to this team. They are so good at them that they’ll score eventually. Their corner came from one of our own, they broke and it ended up with them getting a corner. If we’d have defended that properly then the corner wouldn’t have even come about. Our players are either far too stupid, naive or not good enough to realise this.
A quick question.
Who are we mate?
Who are we mate?
Nuno had 10 league games, got 15 pts and was sacked.
Ange's last 10 league games he has 10 pts.
Poch with all the credit in the bank got 14pts from his last 12 league games.
Ange has 13 pts from his last 12.
Ange's last 10 league games he has 10 pts.
Poch with all the credit in the bank got 14pts from his last 12 league games.
Ange has 13 pts from his last 12.
Hard to disagree with any of that. I said the bit of bolded before kick off and we say a similar thing most weeks. However, when you have a shite attack and a porous defence then you’re fucked.
But I just don’t know who else would come in and do a better job in the dugout, the set of players that has been assembled is atrocious. They’re all so mentally fragile. As soon as the scum scored I knew we were fucked.
So basically it doesn’t matter who the manager is then, they’re all set up to fail.
Def think the fans have turned.
Always were some 'Ange out' types based on his SPL/J-league etc background, which I don't think is quite fair, to be honest.
Ange sceptics (like me) have been worried since the Chelsea game and his 'it's who we are mate' stuff.
But now some of the previously satisfied customers are turning. And some noted happy clappers have gone very quiet.
But here's the rub - sacking managers mid season is usually just a panic reaction. Who is out there, available, who is good and prepared to work with you-know-who?
There was a saying in the Soviet Union - a fish rots from the head.
Always were some 'Ange out' types based on his SPL/J-league etc background, which I don't think is quite fair, to be honest.
Ange sceptics (like me) have been worried since the Chelsea game and his 'it's who we are mate' stuff.
But now some of the previously satisfied customers are turning. And some noted happy clappers have gone very quiet.
But here's the rub - sacking managers mid season is usually just a panic reaction. Who is out there, available, who is good and prepared to work with you-know-who?
There was a saying in the Soviet Union - a fish rots from the head.