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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Henry Hotspur said:
We aren’t creating chances though! ‘Situations’ 😂…fucking hell. Nothing clear cut because we are easy to defend against. Just the same ‘patterns’ all the time - which are coached and part of Ange’s much vaunted ‘principles’.

He either doesn’t know how to coach defensive cohesion or just plain doesn’t want to know. He’s as ignorant as he is stubborn. Can’t believe there are people here defending the fraud. He’s well out of his depth and has been consistently found out by players, coaches and staff in the best league in the world - not the J League, the poxy A league or the 2 horse race Scottish league.

He’s fucked it and knows it but consistently doubles down on his mistakes. Dead man walking
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Liverpool beat Utd 3-0, all from situations we create regularly when their press turned them over high up the pitch.

We did that about 10 times against Newcastle and we had 3 or 4 against the gooners. Solanke’s chance being the clearest.Those situations are meant to be the bread and butter of a pressing team and our forwards inexplicable keep fucking them up.

Outside of those, we definitely aren’t creating enough and the chemistry between the front 3 isn’t working. We aren’t confident or in form up front. The Coventry game is probably a good opportunity to start Solanke again to get him some confidence and rhythm.
 
Richard Arlison said:
It’s not about recollection with Poch. He had the same points or even one less point from 4 games and we couldn’t score goals.

As for not seeing my suggested improvement, I’m not suggesting anything. The actual numbers of goals and underlying numbers of xG and other metrics are all pointing towards conceding much less than last year.

We haven’t conceded a goal on the counter yet this season. I think Martinelli’s chance yesterday was a counter but I’m not sure. If it was, then it was the first clear cut chance in 4 games that we’ve given up on the counter this season.

The goal from the set piece was also the first clear header or shot we’ve given up from a set piece in 4 games too.

Those aren’t suggestions, they are facts.
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Stats (and facts) can be managed to fit any interpretation, even one that's unsound. Looking at the counter to this: yesterday we lost a game on a set play, again. Newcastle's two goals came from counters, which there is general agreement is a weakness. See where this is going?...

What I like about you Richard Arlison Richard Arlison is you have the debate, and are respectful. I just think we're very far apart on this one.

Where I do agree is that there should be a lot more focus on the board and its strategies. And that's not Ange's fault, the manager is just a chess piece really, there's a bigger issue. We don't think or act like a big club on the football side of things.
 
HampshireSpur said:
Stats (and facts) can be managed to fit any interpretation, even one that's unsound. Looking at the counter to this: yesterday we lost a game on a set play, again. Newcastle's two goals came from counters, which there is general agreement is a weakness. See where this is going?...

What I like about you Richard Arlison Richard Arlison is you have the debate, and are respectful. I just think we're very far apart on this one.

Where I do agree is that there should be a lot more focus on the board and its strategies. And that's not Ange's fault, the manager is just a chess piece really, there's a bigger issue. We don't think or act like a big club on the football side of things.
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Newcastles goals weren’t counter attacks
 
Very telling was the hubris, doubling down on the "I win something in year two" junk. That was deeply revealing psychology. Letting him self get boxed back into it, because you can't face the adult reality of changed circumstances. That was magic thinking. Very very worrying.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Liverpool beat Utd 3-0, all from situations we create regularly when their press turned them over high up the pitch.

We did that about 10 times against Newcastle and we had 3 or 4 against the gooners. Solanke’s chance being the clearest.Those situations are meant to be the bread and butter of a pressing team and our forwards inexplicable keep fucking them up.

Outside of those, we definitely aren’t creating enough and the chemistry between the front 3 isn’t working. We aren’t confident or in form up front. The Coventry game is probably a good opportunity to start Solanke again to get him some confidence and rhythm.
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Solanke's first miss was taking one too many touches. You could tell he wasn't "match" fit. He also nearly pulled off a gem of a header later on. Overall, he was fine. Needs more game time as you rightly say. Pretty sure Ange alluded to this post game.
 
Tomo said:
Transition I think it a lot better than last season, set pieces yes still an issue.

If this fails then I do worry about this club. Conte is an elite manager, we couldn’t get him what he needed and he combusted as he does but he is still elite and will win elsewhere. Ange might not be an elite manager but he clearly plays elite football, his style would be perfect with the City squad or even Liverpool one.

My point is if we can’t back an elite manager or even a manager that plays an elite style it’s basically saying we can’t do anything elite. That is a fucking stain on this club. I am sure more than just an idiot like myself will have noticed this. It means that only pragmatic managers who get the best out of whatever they are given fit us and that style of football has a ceiling that won’t be breached. That is a huge issue longer term issue for this club.
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Agree.

If the club gives up early on another manager now, that’s pretty much it for Levynomics. He will have tried every type of coach and system out there. It becomes pointless from there.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Newcastles goals weren’t counter attacks
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The second was a counter. We left a load of space. For both: the defence made it easy - again, after having loads of possession. I just had a quick look at them, it was like watching someone playing on a playstation!

And our one goal came from an OG, which doesn't seem impressive for the much-vaunted 'Angeball' possession based attack.

My interpretation of the system is so different from yours we will go round in circles on this.

The bigger issue, by far, is Levy/Board, which people should not lose sight of.
 
Richard Arlison said:
It works because we aren't taking advantage of the situations we create. Not because the other team has some master plan.
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The situations wer create are crap.
We're not fluffing sitters. We're just about getting into half chance territory.

You genuinely are deluding yourself if you think this shit we're being served up is going to suddenly change.

We're a few games away from the players giving up at the moment. And then it's all over.
As soon as they don't buy into it, he's finished.
 
Matt1882 said:
The situations wer create are crap.
We're not fluffing sitters. We're just about getting into half chance territory.

You genuinely are deluding yourself if you think this shit we're being served up is going to suddenly change.

We're a few games away from the players giving up at the moment. And then it's all over.
As soon as they don't buy into it, he's finished.
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lol they are already not buying into it.

They bought into it the first ten games of last season. They stopped after the Chelsea game.
 
Tomo said:
Transition I think it a lot better than last season, set pieces yes still an issue.

If this fails then I do worry about this club. Conte is an elite manager, we couldn’t get him what he needed and he combusted as he does but he is still elite and will win elsewhere. Ange might not be an elite manager but he clearly plays elite football, his style would be perfect with the City squad or even Liverpool one.

My point is if we can’t back an elite manager or even a manager that plays an elite style it’s basically saying we can’t do anything elite. That is a fucking stain on this club. I am sure more than just an idiot like myself will have noticed this. It means that only pragmatic managers who get the best out of whatever they are given fit us and that style of football has a ceiling that won’t be breached. That is a huge issue longer term issue for this club.
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I mean, it's pretty obvious Levy is never going to actually back the team to financially compete with our biggest rivals. At best we are always going to be reliant on having a huge number of players develop internally in the same 2-3 season period for us to have any chance of having enough talent to challenge for the league, or a major cup. As such people should really lower their expectations, and should do so now.

There's not much particularly elite about Tottenham these days, except it is true we have a nice stadium.
 
SpurFromOz said:
Solanke's first miss was taking one too many touches. You could tell he wasn't "match" fit. He also nearly pulled off a gem of a header later on. Overall, he was fine. Needs more game time as you rightly say. Pretty sure Ange alluded to this post game.
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Yup.

That chance was from a high turnover and it went to the exact player the system is designed to be on the end of.

Should have been meat and drink, 1-0 to Spurs then the gooners need to come out of their Pulis ball.

It’s the story of our season so far and it has to change. If you have an attacking system but your forwards don’t execute, you will struggle.

It’s exactly the same as having defenders and goalkeepers switch off in Conte’s system.
 
Matt1882 said:
The situations wer create are crap.
We're not fluffing sitters. We're just about getting into half chance territory.

You genuinely are deluding yourself if you think this shit we're being served up is going to suddenly change.

We're a few games away from the players giving up at the moment. And then it's all over.
As soon as they don't buy into it, he's finished.
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It will change.

We will score goals and win games. I’m often intentionally deluded but this isn’t that.
 
bk_spur said:
I mean, it's pretty obvious Levy is never going to actually back the team to financially compete with our biggest rivals. At best we are always going to be reliant on having a huge number of players develop internally in the same 2-3 season period for us to have any chance of having enough talent to challenge for the league, or a major cup. As such people should really lower their expectations, and should do so now.

There's not much particularly elite about Tottenham these days, except it is true we have a nice stadium.
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I don't disagree.

Then don't charge the money. We were told the stadium would ensure we can compete. Paying Champagne prices for Perry Water.

We are further away than we were at WHL.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Very telling was the hubris, doubling down on the "I win something in year two" junk. That was deeply revealing psychology. Letting him self get boxed back into it, because you can't face the adult reality of changed circumstances. That was magic thinking. Very very worrying.
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Nah, it was coming out swinging even when backed into a corner.

You don’t want a tail between their legs wimp when things aren’t clicking. What we have now is a classic test of character. Those comments sounded like strength of character to me.
 
I've watched all his teams play. What we are seeing is-and has been from the start-unlike any of them. Even in the first 10 games when the results were coming I was mostly thinking WTF is this shit? There was only one game and even then it barely resembled Angeball.
 
bk_spur said:
I mean, it's pretty obvious Levy is never going to actually back the team to financially compete with our biggest rivals. At best we are always going to be reliant on having a huge number of players develop internally in the same 2-3 season period for us to have any chance of having enough talent to challenge for the league, or a major cup. As such people should really lower their expectations, and should do so now.

There's not much particularly elite about Tottenham these days, except it is true we have a nice stadium.
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Elite

Fanbase: we could fill 80k at Wembley easily every game, few teams can, we could probably do 90-100k if needed. United, Liverpool, Woolwich, perhaps Chelsea also could.

Stadium and training ground: best facilities probably in Europe

Average:

Team: don’t really need to say

Strategy: hasn’t been good, let’s see what happens with this one

Conclusion:

We have everything in place to be elite except the desire and push to make it happen.
 
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