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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Richard Arlison said:
Absolutely

Same goes for Villa’s high line. They are conceding plenty more than us this season but somehow Emery isn’t naive. I guess because he’s European.
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Speaking of Emery I found this interview he did after an unexpected Cup exit, where there are some parallels to how things are going ATM:

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Every word as Unai Emery rages at Aston Villa players after horror show

Here’s the manager’s transcript in full as he questions his players’ mentality after Stevenage’s 2-1 win against Aston Villa at Villa Park
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Matt1882 said:
I'd be saying he should be sacked if we don't win on Saturday. End of. For him, for his job, that's a 100% must win game.
We have better players, at home, we should win and it should be convincing. Not slogging at them for 90 minutes and squeezing by with the odd goal.
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But until Levy starts feeling the heat he probably won't be. I don't see the crowd plunging into full revolt yet, but when it comes it's gonna come hard.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
And it can happen quickly. Ange still has some credit in the bank from the start of last season but he's currently on around the same win percentage as Nuno (and well below the win % of Jose or Conte). If we haven't won any of the next 5 and we're heading into Christmas with the worst win percentage of any Spurs manager in recent history I just don't see how he survives. The groans in the stadium are starting, they will quickly snowball into open revolt against him, ENIC and Levy, and as history shows us our little bald friend is going to need a human sacrifice. And he has one.

I'm not saying he should be sacked, I'm saying he will be sacked.
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Totally agree. Take all the hysteria out of the discussion and its pretty simple, improve over the next 5, 7, 10 games or he'll be sacked. Doesnt matter if you rate him or not, want him to stay or not, its just what will happen.
 
spids said:
The problem we have currently is we are too slow to progress an attack from the middle third to the final third, allowing the opposition defence to get set in a low block. The wide players are a major factor in this as they slow the game down in two ways:

1. They stopped playing instinctive first time balls into the space behind their marker. Porro and Udogie often make the underlap run but rarely get that ball to chase. Son is particularly guilty of this. Watching goals from the first 10 games last season we did this in almost very attack. Richarlison was a more effective LW in Ange's system at the start of last season than Son is this.

2. When they have space to run into Son and Johnson often take a bad first touch and end up turning back. They need to aggressively attack the penalty area and be prepared to take their marker on in a 1-on-1.

It is also frustrating how poor (and few) our aerial crosses are, as Solanke (and Richarlison) will win a lot of headers in the box.

I would not mind experimenting with Porro as the RW and Gray at RB. I think it will make us stronger defensively, give us another 'big un' to defend set pieces (both Kulu and Johnson are very weak aerially compared to Gray) , whilst improving our right flank crossing.

Odobert has to play on the left when he plays as he is much better that side. No idea why we loaned Werner - I can only assume to give us depth of squad whilst Mikey Moore develops without blocking him. But seeing as we have Son and Odobert that side, I would have Mikey Moore ahead of Werner in the pecking order and end Werner's loan at the first opportunity.

Lastly, Kulusevski's emergence as a number 8 / 10 seems to have blocked Bergvall getting minutes. I would love to see Bergvall and Kulusevski play ahead of Bissouma and rest Maddison. Or play Maddison as one of the WFs (like he was often used to at Leicester and for England). Imagine Maddison and Son as impact subs?
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Good post
 
White Hart said:
Yes but he’s got better players than in Scotland, Japan and Australia
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I know you're joking, but his Celtic if not for poor finishing and bad luck could have put 3 past Real Madrid. He probably should have got something out of the game against the Netherland in 2014 WC. And Japan recently embarrassed both Spain and Germany at the WC.

I don't know why but this group of players has rarely played Angeball as I know it.
 
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Matt1882 said:
So when the exact same thing has happened 5, 10, 15 more times will you still be backing him, claiming we're dominating games, that it's only a matter of time before it clicks etc?
You will get to where the majority now are. Eventually you'll have that moment of clarity that this is AVB ball at best.
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If the issue is still players not executing simple things like high turnovers then yes I would be willing to back him and the system yes. Like I have said repeatedly, you don't have to believe in something when the results are coming easy. Right now they aren't coming easy but what i see this season is that it won't take much before they do start to come easy but at this point it does take a leap of faith or some strength of conviction to believe in that happening.

You say it's the majority that have had this moment of clarity. How do you know it's a majority? Doesn't seem like that to me at all.
 
Richard Arlison said:
You say it's the majority that have had this moment of clarity. How do you know it's a majority? Doesn't seem like that to me at all.
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Management - Another Snap Poll on Ange - 24/25 Edition

It's who we are mate Traditional? Wanker. FFS, put that shit in context. Or have you forgotten? I'm not a happy-clapper or ange-out (he needs another few months at least), but constantly seeing this shit in my feed from supposed 'spurs fans' is really pissing me off. Firstly, we held goons...
thefightingcock.co.uk thefightingcock.co.uk

Currently 50.3% insist on keeping him to the end of the season, as dumb as that is.
Yesterday (last time I looked) it was low 40's
All the rest of the options are less about backing him and about how long he is given.

It's all irrelevant. He's done already. I reckon it'll come after the Brighton game during the international break. I'm sure Levy is just waiting for 1 or 2 others to get the push first so he's not the first.
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Murphy said:
Newcastle at home, Villa away and City away were the absolute outliers in that back end of results. Nobody can rationally say we were not electric in those first ten games. We've been nothing like that in the subsequent 34 games, save a few stand-outs and beating relegation fodder. Whenever we come against a team that tries to actually stop us playing we struggle. Neither Newcastle not Villa tried to stop us and left huge gaps behind. City away Ange did something he's seldom done, he mixed it up and those last 10 minutes against City we were simply unplayable and they couldn't cope. You could argue that at 3-1 down we had nothing to lose but it was incredible and shows we can do it. My point is more that we've seen much less of the first ten games and more of the last 34, regardless of dominance. So my question to YOU directly is was it just a new manager bounce? Because the subsequent games are an indication of declining performance overall, with a PPG tally to match. Having lots of the ball, and failing to convert that to any sort of meaningful result because we have no clue on how to break a low block is not progress. It is exactly what we struggled with last year, just more teams are doing it now. It's on the manager and his coaching staff to learn how to get through that. So again, as evasive as you are to actually address direct questions, how much time do we persevere with it, in your opinion? How long before even you have had enough? How long can you keep doing the same thing, but expect different results?


Whilst I can only speak for myself, the collective "we" is a growing number of fans disgruntled with what we are seeing. You are no more wrong than I am - this is a discussion forum where we all have different views and opinions, and there clearly division in the fanbase. I'm just asking you a direct question that you don't want to answer. That's fine, you do you. But it's laughable that you are so dismissive of those that want things to change for the better or are so fed up with the awful run of form and results and you won't even elaborate on where your line is.


Again, this is a discussion forum where people are going to pick up on things other people say and respond. It's not an echo chamber for people to just exchange their own views. DM that person of WhatsApp them if you want to engage in solely positive discussion. Also I take HUGE exception to the inference about someone paying money going to games. I've been a season ticket holder, life circumstances and watching an entire season of Nuno/Conte was enough to ensure I couldn't justify £1300 for that shit. I go to as many games as I can, I give my time to watch every match and even spend hours of my life wasting engaging here with other fans. Someone going to games gets nothing but my admiration and respect, but it doesn't make them any more of a fan than I am, or worthy or an opinion more. It's not a stakeholder program, it's a consumer product. I could, however, argue that someone paying hundreds of pounds for this and still being happy could be considered more delusional than I.

This cycle of binning managers after 18 months HAS to change, I don't disagree. We do have to be patient, to a degree because we've had to ensure a reset. Not too dissimilar to Poch, really. Poch, like Ange, had to sack off so much shite. And in the end had us challenging to a level we'd not seen in decades, even if we did fall short. I have seen enough in Ange's football to suggest we could get there, but it mostly in that start, and then went backwards. We are stuck at the moment, waiting for it to click. For Maddison - so instrumental in those first games - the produce on that level. For Solanke - so unfortunate to get injured - to click with the system. For us to make the most of that dominance.

On the other hand, having shipped out so much shit, we are still playing most of the players that Ange utilised last year, with him reluctant to swap out his favourites. So again, I simply ask you, who asks all of us "delusional" fans that are fed up, how patient should we be? 5 games? 10 games? The season? I want to be proven wrong, so badly and want this club to succeed. We've suffered for so long, and have been mismanaged, from the board and recruitment more than anything else. This is where the impatience comes from. How much more should we suffer this specific chapter of it, if Ange cannot change the results?
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Superb mate.
 
Matt1882 said:

Management - Another Snap Poll on Ange - 24/25 Edition

It's who we are mate Traditional? Wanker. FFS, put that shit in context. Or have you forgotten? I'm not a happy-clapper or ange-out (he needs another few months at least), but constantly seeing this shit in my feed from supposed 'spurs fans' is really pissing me off. Firstly, we held goons...
thefightingcock.co.uk thefightingcock.co.uk

Currently 50.3% insist on keeping him to the end of the season, as dumb as that is.
Yesterday (last time I looked) it was low 40's
All the rest of the options are less about backing him and about how long he is given.

It's all irrelevant. He's done already. I reckon it'll come after the Brighton game during the international break. I'm sure Levy is just waiting for 1 or 2 others to get the push first so he's not the first.
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Who would you like to replace him with.
 
Matt1882 said:

Management - Another Snap Poll on Ange - 24/25 Edition

It's who we are mate Traditional? Wanker. FFS, put that shit in context. Or have you forgotten? I'm not a happy-clapper or ange-out (he needs another few months at least), but constantly seeing this shit in my feed from supposed 'spurs fans' is really pissing me off. Firstly, we held goons...
thefightingcock.co.uk thefightingcock.co.uk

Currently 50.3% insist on keeping him to the end of the season, as dumb as that is.
Yesterday (last time I looked) it was low 40's
All the rest of the options are less about backing him and about how long he is given.

It's all irrelevant. He's done already. I reckon it'll come after the Brighton game during the international break. I'm sure Levy is just waiting for 1 or 2 others to get the push first so he's not the first.
1 ppg.

1.
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It's only a small sample size and ultimately only indicative of the view of this forum.

But shows where I think we realistically are; a divided fanbase. Half think he deserves the season. And even I don't necessarily disagree with that; but I'm so deflated from the form that think he ultimately won't get it.

The other half think he should essentially be gone by Christmas, but the caveat is if result don't improve. Of course with we go on a winning run (as Poch did) and wins 4 or more of the next six I'm sure our views will change.
 
skywalker68 said:
Who would you like to replace him with.
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It really doesn't matter.....whoever comes in will have a front line of average midtable level Solanke, Johnson, Werner, Richarlison, Odobert and an aging Son

This club just recruits very badly, doesn't matter who the manager is. Occasionally we stumble across a world class talented player but the majority of the time the recruitment is below average.
 
Obviously we want to win every game but during a painful rebuild we need to accept that results don't matter as much as long as we are seeing an improvement on the pitch and signs we are heading in the right direction , you could say we played better against Newcastle and the Goons but part of me thinks teams are just happy to concede the ball to us as they know we won't do fuck all with it, I'd still like to see how we perform until the end of the year and see how Ange handles the midweek games, however its worrying that we don't look to be going in the right direction.
Right now our front 3 just aren't clicking and its up to Ange to change that, its time to see what he is made off, he talks about doing best when the chips are against him and people doubt his abilities , so i'm expecting to see a trocuning of Coventry tonight and kick on against Brentford at the weekend , if not then its worrying times ahead!
 
Murphy said:
I was there. It was the worst atmosphere I've ever experienced. And the most vocal I've heard anyone be to ENIC and Levy. The crowd wasn't just anti-Nuno, there were chants for Levy to get out of the club. Only one outcome.
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It's been said before, Ange will lose his job not if / when the anger and frustration is aimed at him, but when it starts being directed towards Levy.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
You're bang on there. I know Nuno was always teetering on the verge of the sack but the sheer visceral reaction to that Lucas sub ended his tenure there and then, I suspect fans who don't go to games didn't really get the atmosphere that evening but we all knew in the stadium that he was getting chopped the next day. I've still never experienced anything like it in my life. The certain knowledge the stadium crowd had essentially fired him on the spot.

It doesn't take long for it to happen though. The constant Ange Postecoglou chant has largely stopped. It comes and goes early on in games but it's not making a 90 minutes showing like it was last season. It seems like the crowd are ambivalent now as opposed to outright opposed to the guy but it's a slippery slope.

He still has time to recover, of course he does, but once the booing starts and Baldy feels the heat it's game over.
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I'm convinced I started the "you dont know what you're doing chant".
 
I think we move the ball to slowly.

I understand the principle of slowing the play with your CB's to get your shape, IF the fast transition forward isn't on.

When we do have our CB's on the ball, we are sooooo slow with the next passes, 2, 3, 4 quick passes to force space and movement could improve us. Usually 1 or 2 of our next possessions are slowwww, a dawdling dribble without creating space or other players making runs.

Movement boys, movement, forward pass, first time, move, go go, receive yesss that's it.
 
Murphy said:
Newcastle at home, Villa away and City away were the absolute outliers in that back end of results. Nobody can rationally say we were not electric in those first ten games. We've been nothing like that in the subsequent 34 games, save a few stand-outs and beating relegation fodder. Whenever we come against a team that tries to actually stop us playing we struggle. Neither Newcastle not Villa tried to stop us and left huge gaps behind. City away Ange did something he's seldom done, he mixed it up and those last 10 minutes against City we were simply unplayable and they couldn't cope. You could argue that at 3-1 down we had nothing to lose but it was incredible and shows we can do it. My point is more that we've seen much less of the first ten games and more of the last 34, regardless of dominance. So my question to YOU directly is was it just a new manager bounce? Because the subsequent games are an indication of declining performance overall, with a PPG tally to match. Having lots of the ball, and failing to convert that to any sort of meaningful result because we have no clue on how to break a low block is not progress. It is exactly what we struggled with last year, just more teams are doing it now. It's on the manager and his coaching staff to learn how to get through that. So again, as evasive as you are to actually address direct questions, how much time do we persevere with it, in your opinion? How long before even you have had enough? How long can you keep doing the same thing, but expect different results?


Whilst I can only speak for myself, the collective "we" is a growing number of fans disgruntled with what we are seeing. You are no more wrong than I am - this is a discussion forum where we all have different views and opinions, and there clearly division in the fanbase. I'm just asking you a direct question that you don't want to answer. That's fine, you do you. But it's laughable that you are so dismissive of those that want things to change for the better or are so fed up with the awful run of form and results and you won't even elaborate on where your line is.


Again, this is a discussion forum where people are going to pick up on things other people say and respond. It's not an echo chamber for people to just exchange their own views. DM that person of WhatsApp them if you want to engage in solely positive discussion. Also I take HUGE exception to the inference about someone paying money going to games. I've been a season ticket holder, life circumstances and watching an entire season of Nuno/Conte was enough to ensure I couldn't justify £1300 for that shit. I go to as many games as I can, I give my time to watch every match and even spend hours of my life wasting engaging here with other fans. Someone going to games gets nothing but my admiration and respect, but it doesn't make them any more of a fan than I am, or worthy or an opinion more. It's not a stakeholder program, it's a consumer product. I could, however, argue that someone paying hundreds of pounds for this and still being happy could be considered more delusional than I.

This cycle of binning managers after 18 months HAS to change, I don't disagree. We do have to be patient, to a degree because we've had to ensure a reset. Not too dissimilar to Poch, really. Poch, like Ange, had to sack off so much shite. And in the end had us challenging to a level we'd not seen in decades, even if we did fall short. I have seen enough in Ange's football to suggest we could get there, but it mostly in that start, and then went backwards. We are stuck at the moment, waiting for it to click. For Maddison - so instrumental in those first games - the produce on that level. For Solanke - so unfortunate to get injured - to click with the system. For us to make the most of that dominance.

On the other hand, having shipped out so much shit, we are still playing most of the players that Ange utilised last year, with him reluctant to swap out his favourites. So again, I simply ask you, who asks all of us "delusional" fans that are fed up, how patient should we be? 5 games? 10 games? The season? I want to be proven wrong, so badly and want this club to succeed. We've suffered for so long, and have been mismanaged, from the board and recruitment more than anything else. This is where the impatience comes from. How much more should we suffer this specific chapter of it, if Ange cannot change the results?
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This is such a great post and it perfectly sums up how I feel about our current situation.

Silence is oftentimes the answer to a question that demands honesty, but the person fears the truth...

I think that's why you will struggle to get a straight answer.
 
Murphy said:
Newcastle at home, Villa away and City away were the absolute outliers in that back end of results. Nobody can rationally say we were not electric in those first ten games. We've been nothing like that in the subsequent 34 games, save a few stand-outs and beating relegation fodder. Whenever we come against a team that tries to actually stop us playing we struggle. Neither Newcastle not Villa tried to stop us and left huge gaps behind. City away Ange did something he's seldom done, he mixed it up and those last 10 minutes against City we were simply unplayable and they couldn't cope. You could argue that at 3-1 down we had nothing to lose but it was incredible and shows we can do it. My point is more that we've seen much less of the first ten games and more of the last 34, regardless of dominance. So my question to YOU directly is was it just a new manager bounce? Because the subsequent games are an indication of declining performance overall, with a PPG tally to match. Having lots of the ball, and failing to convert that to any sort of meaningful result because we have no clue on how to break a low block is not progress. It is exactly what we struggled with last year, just more teams are doing it now. It's on the manager and his coaching staff to learn how to get through that. So again, as evasive as you are to actually address direct questions, how much time do we persevere with it, in your opinion? How long before even you have had enough? How long can you keep doing the same thing, but expect different results?


Whilst I can only speak for myself, the collective "we" is a growing number of fans disgruntled with what we are seeing. You are no more wrong than I am - this is a discussion forum where we all have different views and opinions, and there clearly division in the fanbase. I'm just asking you a direct question that you don't want to answer. That's fine, you do you. But it's laughable that you are so dismissive of those that want things to change for the better or are so fed up with the awful run of form and results and you won't even elaborate on where your line is.


Again, this is a discussion forum where people are going to pick up on things other people say and respond. It's not an echo chamber for people to just exchange their own views. DM that person of WhatsApp them if you want to engage in solely positive discussion. Also I take HUGE exception to the inference about someone paying money going to games. I've been a season ticket holder, life circumstances and watching an entire season of Nuno/Conte was enough to ensure I couldn't justify £1300 for that shit. I go to as many games as I can, I give my time to watch every match and even spend hours of my life wasting engaging here with other fans. Someone going to games gets nothing but my admiration and respect, but it doesn't make them any more of a fan than I am, or worthy or an opinion more. It's not a stakeholder program, it's a consumer product. I could, however, argue that someone paying hundreds of pounds for this and still being happy could be considered more delusional than I.

This cycle of binning managers after 18 months HAS to change, I don't disagree. We do have to be patient, to a degree because we've had to ensure a reset. Not too dissimilar to Poch, really. Poch, like Ange, had to sack off so much shite. And in the end had us challenging to a level we'd not seen in decades, even if we did fall short. I have seen enough in Ange's football to suggest we could get there, but it mostly in that start, and then went backwards. We are stuck at the moment, waiting for it to click. For Maddison - so instrumental in those first games - the produce on that level. For Solanke - so unfortunate to get injured - to click with the system. For us to make the most of that dominance.

On the other hand, having shipped out so much shit, we are still playing most of the players that Ange utilised last year, with him reluctant to swap out his favourites. So again, I simply ask you, who asks all of us "delusional" fans that are fed up, how patient should we be? 5 games? 10 games? The season? I want to be proven wrong, so badly and want this club to succeed. We've suffered for so long, and have been mismanaged, from the board and recruitment more than anything else. This is where the impatience comes from. How much more should we suffer this specific chapter of it, if Ange cannot change the results?
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Superb.
 
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