Final thought before signing off on this. We've actually built a good team - for Conte. Two years too late. Not really sure how it fits with Ange, but that's a question we'll see if he can answer in the next few weeks...
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Who would I like, or who is attainable?
I would be half inclined to see if Tuchel wants to steady the ship. Not a long term thing but he's out of work and I think he'd sort the defence out and get us scoring more frequently.
I could see Levy doing that as it's an easy "fix" if he sacks Ange.
I quite like Iraola, he seems to be doing exactly what Levy likes by getting his team to perform at or higher than expectation. Getting him out of Bournemouth would be tricky, but not impossible. It'll cost though, so.......Levy.
In all seriousness though, I'm not the right person to put forward names. I don't watch enough football outside of Spurs. There's hundreds of coaches working (or not) all around the world, that the SMT at Spurs should already know about. I would like to think any club has eyes on potential new coaches these days as much as players.
Fans really, really need to shed this cliche'd belief any coach anywhere in the world "deserves" a season.
I asked the question yesterday of someone. Name me 3 coaches that aren't Fergie 37 years ago, that were failing at their job, with ever declining results, that managed to turn it around because they got given time.
I'll give you a clue - Arteta isn't one. They weren't getting worse.
Yeah I was at that united game when it all came crashing down for Nuno and it was absolutely toxic. And a lot of the ire was directed towards levy as much as the manager and literally that night he was sacked and we had Conte the next day. But that game/day was uncomfortable, really felt like a club tearing itself apart. I really hope we don’t go down that path again.
That's exactly it. We don't look like scoring atm
Nice post. Not sure if you are aware, but this was answered by the forum on this poll:
Management - Another Snap Poll on Ange - 24/25 Edition
Given not only our poor start to the season but also the rolling poor form from the back end of last season, it's sensible to have another snap poll on where we are with Ange and our views may well have changed. Where are you on our manager? Still too early to make the call? Have we been found...
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TLDR; Strong lean towards giving him the season, but keeping an eye on it.
LOL it's my poll.Nice post. Not sure if you are aware, but this was answered by the forum on this poll:
Management - Another Snap Poll on Ange - 24/25 Edition
Given not only our poor start to the season but also the rolling poor form from the back end of last season, it's sensible to have another snap poll on where we are with Ange and our views may well have changed. Where are you on our manager? Still too early to make the call? Have we been found...
TLDR; Strong lean towards giving him the season, but keeping an eye on it.
Thanks for the kind words, and I know - I just want to hear it from Richard.
I remember the away game before the Man Utd game, there was a chant of "Nuno, give us a sub". It was more light hearted than the "you don't know what you're doing". But a clear sign that the fans were about to turn and had no faith in what was going on..
The fans in the stadium are not there yet... But it can get that way quickly. We know that... And IF that happens, I agree that there's not really an appetising choice out there. But the club won't let a poisonous feeling fester in the stadium for the remaining 7 months of the season. They'll think they have to be seen to be doing something.
Angeball is slow build up, allow the oppo time to set up for defence, fail to shoot , and then scamper back like scalded cats.
This entire point of our build up from the back is that they press, we play through them, and then end up in situations like a 3 on 3 or 3 on 4. It’s pretty unlikely we’ll end up with numerical advantages on a consistent basis.
So in 3 against 3 situations, you need players that can take on a defender, especially a slower defender like a CB. Very few of our attacking players can take on players at a high level.
Look at BJs shot against Woolwich that was blocked out for a corner. It was a very, unimaginative mediocre touch to his right and 1st time shot that was easily blocked. That’s an absolutely huge chance if the attacking player is quality. Saka probably destroys us in that situation.
out of all our attackers, here are their percentiles for successful take ons:
Odobert - 99th (top 1 percent)
Son - 83rd
Solanke - 78th
Werner - 40th
BJ - 25th
Richy - 16th (yuck)
Which was surprisingly close to what I would have guessed. I probably would have had son a bit lower, but he’s savvy and only takes on players when he knows he’s got an advantage. Also sons comparison was against CFs, he’s just 35th percentile against wingers so that makes more sense.
This isn’t perfect by any means as it’s a cumulative stat so it doesn’t punish you for failed take ons but I don’t feel like putting in that amount of work and it looks pretty accurate.
BJ and richy don’t fit here in the first XI. Maybe BJ can come off the bench at times.
But point is some of these forwards just aren’t good enough and teams can happily press us if we have players like BJ and richy on the pitch, knowing they won’t produce anything.
I think if we have Odobert and solanke on, teams are going to be scared to press us. If neither are on, the opponent is laughing because pressing means there’s a chance to get a turnover and the risk of being punished is very low.
I doubt anyone got this far but it’s noteworthy that richy and solanke are both good pressers. Sons inconsistent but has his moments. BJ, Werner not good. Odobert terrible but his stats are also mostly from burnley.
So Solanke needs to always be on the team sheet as he’s our only attacker that can take a player on and press.
So in 3 against 3 situations, you need players that can take on a defender, especially a slower defender like a CB. Very few of our attacking players can take on players at a high level.
Look at BJs shot against Woolwich that was blocked out for a corner. It was a very, unimaginative mediocre touch to his right and 1st time shot that was easily blocked. That’s an absolutely huge chance if the attacking player is quality. Saka probably destroys us in that situation.
out of all our attackers, here are their percentiles for successful take ons:
Odobert - 99th (top 1 percent)
Son - 83rd
Solanke - 78th
Werner - 40th
BJ - 25th
Richy - 16th (yuck)
Which was surprisingly close to what I would have guessed. I probably would have had son a bit lower, but he’s savvy and only takes on players when he knows he’s got an advantage. Also sons comparison was against CFs, he’s just 35th percentile against wingers so that makes more sense.
This isn’t perfect by any means as it’s a cumulative stat so it doesn’t punish you for failed take ons but I don’t feel like putting in that amount of work and it looks pretty accurate.
BJ and richy don’t fit here in the first XI. Maybe BJ can come off the bench at times.
But point is some of these forwards just aren’t good enough and teams can happily press us if we have players like BJ and richy on the pitch, knowing they won’t produce anything.
I think if we have Odobert and solanke on, teams are going to be scared to press us. If neither are on, the opponent is laughing because pressing means there’s a chance to get a turnover and the risk of being punished is very low.
I doubt anyone got this far but it’s noteworthy that richy and solanke are both good pressers. Sons inconsistent but has his moments. BJ, Werner not good. Odobert terrible but his stats are also mostly from burnley.
So Solanke needs to always be on the team sheet as he’s our only attacker that can take a player on and press.
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So the majority haven't had the moment of clarity you've had yet?Management - Another Snap Poll on Ange - 24/25 Edition
It's who we are mate Traditional? Wanker. FFS, put that shit in context. Or have you forgotten? I'm not a happy-clapper or ange-out (he needs another few months at least), but constantly seeing this shit in my feed from supposed 'spurs fans' is really pissing me off. Firstly, we held goons...
Currently 50.3% insist on keeping him to the end of the season, as dumb as that is.
Yesterday (last time I looked) it was low 40's
All the rest of the options are less about backing him and about how long he is given.
It's all irrelevant. He's done already. I reckon it'll come after the Brighton game during the international break. I'm sure Levy is just waiting for 1 or 2 others to get the push first so he's not the first.
1 ppg.
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agreed, problem is if that first pass isnt on when we win the ball and the oppo are out of shape then its very hard for us to do anything. weve got bloody fullbacks taking up CAM positions.... theres literally fuck all room to move once the other team have reshaped. the football needs to be immaculate with intricate touches and 3rd runners to stand any chance of getting a decent chance...meanwhile all they have to do is win the ball and they have an entire half to exploit....
Yep, move the ball slowly and give opponents plenty of time to organise and pack their defence.
Love the warning about posting a message that could get you sin binned or banned. What would you have to do? 
Wow, long answer.
So, the first 10 games thing is just narrative to me. The results were electric but the performances weren't all electric. The excitement was massively boosted by Ange ball just not being Conte or Jose.
3 out of 4 performances so far this season have been better than most of those 10 games IMO. The results haven't been, obviously.
I gave Villa, Newcastle and City as 4 examples against good sides that had good performances to go with them but that doesn't mean the wins against other teams weren't good performances. Because plenty of them were and there were also good performances in there where we didn't get good results and like the first 10 games, there were wins where I didn't think the performance was that great. The Liverpool win during the first 10 games was a good performance until they had a man sent off and then it was actually pretty frustrating.
A great example of this weird negative narrative that people build about those 10 games is THAT Chelsea game. Before Maddison went off injured and then VDV, that was one of the best performances I've seen from a Spurs side. That would have been game 11...
The simple truth is that we have been inconsistent for performances and results since Ange arrived. People like to simplify it into bizarre cherry picked numbers of games to help narrative building but in reality it's not like that.
This season I have seen plenty of improvements in every area aside from offensive execution in the very last phase of the game. Weirdly, Leicester was the most exciting football we have played this year for 60minutes. Everton was more efficient than exciting IMO but performances and results aren't the same thing to me. I think lots of the most negative voices on this forum struggle to separate the two.
How long will I stay patient? Well, I look at it long term so if the underlying numbers stay consistently good and I consistently see the positive things I've seen in every game like we have so far with high turnovers, incredible press numbers and shit loads of entries into the opposition penalty area, I can stay patient all season easily.
Totally agree,it’s like having a load of Harry winks on the pitch.
And why don’t we just have a shot from distance more often.
Lose tonight and he is out. May already be gone..
As of yesterday it was the majority.
I guess Australia woke up and voted for Ange to get forever because they love him more than Spurs.
It all feels bit like the end of AVB's time tbh. Lots of the ball and not doing an awful lot with it.
A good team for Conte that only has 3 CBs?
so if one got injured or we wanted to rotate for Cups/Europe how would that work with 3 CBs in a system that starts all 3?
Then there is our CM, of which Conte only ever played Bentancur regularly. He'd send Bergvall, Gray and Odobert out on loan and tbh probably Sarr as well. Bissouma he never rated either.
This squad is built for Ange ball or a similar system.
Surely you gave it more thought than just we have 3 good CBs and Udogie/Porro used to be wing backs?
So not the majority then. Cool.
Or you think only English fans count?
Because only English football is good, hence Ange hasn't achieved anything in the game?