• The Fighting Cock is a forum for fans of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Here you can discuss Spurs latest matches, our squad, tactics and any transfer news surrounding the club. Registration gives you access to all our forums (including 'Off Topic' discussion) and removes most of the adverts (you can remove them all via an account upgrade). You're here now, you might as well...

    Get involved!

Management Levy / ENIC

Latest Spurs videos from Sky Sports

Levy In or Levy Out


  • Total voters
    370
Incredibly hard to organise? It really shouldn’t be.

Social media posts. Leaflets at the match. Decide which match or matches are being boycotted a few weeks in advance. Should be a piece of piss.

Assuming that there is the appetite for change from the vast majority of fans, as I keep reading there is on here.

Almost every poster in this thread that attends matches (not many of them to be fair) say they are surrounded by disgruntled fans. Even more know personally several fans who no longer attend. Surely there’s a group to get together to form the initial plan?
I'm not attending now. Was appalled by Roma. And that's actually one of our best performances recently!!!
 
Incredibly hard to organise? It really shouldn’t be.

Social media posts. Leaflets at the match. Decide which match or matches are being boycotted a few weeks in advance. Should be a piece of piss.

Assuming that there is the appetite for change from the vast majority of fans, as I keep reading there is on here.

Almost every poster in this thread that attends matches (not many of them to be fair) say they are surrounded by disgruntled fans. Even more know personally several fans who no longer attend. Surely there’s a group to get together to form the initial plan?
I’m always up for sitting on the sofa instead of actually doing something , you might be onto something
 
Club would be uninvestable at anything like Levy's valuation with a near empty stadium. But it won't happen. Football ownership model in the UK is dreadful for that reason.

The ONLY beneficiaries of Levy's cost-income ratio are the owners.
Looking at what United and Liverpool are doing, in terms of exploiting current supporter loyalty, Levy's methods are the new benchmark.
 
The best case scenario in a world were ENIC does not sell is that it turns out that Vivienne Lewis is way more interested in winning than her dad.

It does happen from time to time. Most recently with the Detroit Lions in the NFL. The old owner (one of the Fords) was perfectly content with having a bottom team that just kept raking in money and keeping his buddies employed backstage as a form of old boys club.

Once the old owner died his daughter assumed power. And she wants to compete and doesn't accept mediocrity. And now the Lions are looking like actual contenders for the Superbowl.

No idea if Vivienne or any of Joe's kids do however.
Yes, benevolent dictators can pop up in family based power systems. It’s one reason I’m a monarchist. Though occasionally the next in line can be worse. Don’t know much about Vivienne.
 
The best case scenario in a world were ENIC does not sell is that it turns out that Vivienne Lewis is way more interested in winning than her dad.

It does happen from time to time. Most recently with the Detroit Lions in the NFL. The old owner (one of the Fords) was perfectly content with having a bottom team that just kept raking in money and keeping his buddies employed backstage as a form of old boys club.

Once the old owner died his daughter assumed power. And she wants to compete and doesn't accept mediocrity. And now the Lions are looking like actual contenders for the Superbowl.

No idea if Vivienne or any of Joe's kids do however.
That’s basically that happened to Woolwich.
 
Players' wages 24-25 below (one of the various sources flying around). Liverpool are the outlier. But however you construct the comps, we "should" be spending £150m - £180m pa on wages. And once you strip out players to make way, that amounts to 7 or 8 elite first XI level players we "should" have, but don't.

1. Manchester City – £201,864,000
2. Manchester United – £185,580,000
3. Woolwich – £172,146,000
4. Chelsea – £171,210,000
5. Liverpool – £128,804,000
6. Tottenham – £104,806,000
7. Aston Villa – £104,676,000
8. Newcastle United – £103,272,000
 
I am going to show Levy

Next game I will go to Tottenham but not use my already paid for season ticket and enter the stadium as a protest . Mind you it’s fucking cold though so I will pop in the shop and buy a hat , scarf, Gillet and coat. Then to kill time when the game is on will grab a coffee and book up some Go Karting , stadium tour and the skywalk on line as I have been meaning to do all of those for ages .

Fuck with me Levy , well I’ll show you not to mess with the Vanderlays
 
I'm not attending now. Was appalled by Roma. And that's actually one of our best performances recently!!!

I’m always up for sitting on the sofa instead of actually doing something , you might be onto something
And there we go. Apathy wins again. Complain all you like on here, but just know that doing nothing but that will lead to nothing changing. Even the most rabid ENIC Outer on here won’t attend demonstrations, but will attend matches whilst they are on. He even spends money on merch and experiences. It’s fucking farcical.

Whilst people post on here several times a day that they are demanding change, but then do absolutely fuck all else, there’ll always be a struggle to make changes.
 
I've enjoyed all the posts on this page but can't react to all of them that would be uncool.
However in answer to the comment about Vivienne I read an article years ago that said she is the true fan but I presumed she would take over when the old crook left just like your story above but it appears not.
 
Club would be uninvestable at anything like Levy's valuation with a near empty stadium. But it won't happen. Football ownership model in the UK is dreadful for that reason.

The ONLY beneficiaries of Levy's cost-income ratio are the owners.
I don't think they're looking to sell. If they were going to sell, it would have been when ground was broken for the new ground. Before the spent a fuck ton of money and accrued debts for it. They could have sold up for a massive profit and handed those costs to the new owner.
The fact they didn't tells me the plan is to just use the stadium to make as much money from as many sources as possible. It's a more stable income than selling up for a lump sum.
 
I don't think they're looking to sell. If they were going to sell, it would have been when ground was broken for the new ground. Before the spent a fuck ton of money and accrued debts for it. They could have sold up for a massive profit and handed those costs to the new owner.
The fact they didn't tells me the plan is to just use the stadium to make as much money from as many sources as possible. It's a more stable income than selling up for a lump sum.
There are always personal factors that come into it as people get older/die. Could be Levy / Joe's kids actually want to do something else with the cash. I live in hope. I do agree that even with the current cost/income ratio, there is possibly a bit more mileage in pumping up the valuation with further development, though most of that work is done.




 
And there we go. Apathy wins again. Complain all you like on here, but just know that doing nothing but that will lead to nothing changing. Even the most rabid ENIC Outer on here won’t attend demonstrations, but will attend matches whilst they are on. He even spends money on merch and experiences. It’s fucking farcical.

Whilst people post on here several times a day that they are demanding change, but then do absolutely fuck all else, there’ll always be a struggle to make changes.
You do realise that’s most people with regard to everything. Hate the way the country is run , don’t join a political party . Many don’t even vote, something they have to do once every five years . Pissed off with the water companies , don’t protest outside Thames Water offices and pay their bills promptly . Fed up with the trains , buses etc , still pay their fares and don’t protest , the list is endless .

People moan and do nothing it’s human nature . Maybe you are that unusual person who moans about pot holes and then go full Rod Stewart and fill them in yourself , if so fair play, but I doubt it.
 
Last edited:
There are always personal factors that come into it as people get older/die. Could be Levy / Joe's kids actually want to do something else with the cash. I live in hope. I do agree that even with the current cost/income ratio, there is possibly a bit more mileage in pumping up the valuation with further development, though most of that work is done.
There may be personal factors. But ENIC is a company, not just Joe Lewis. There's a board, there's employees, there's business decisions.
I bet Levy's share is even a business of some sort.
 
There may be personal factors. But ENIC is a company, not just Joe Lewis. There's a board, there's employees, there's business decisions.
I bet Levy's share is even a business of some sort.
It's a company essentially owned by two guys. Or one guy and a trust (read, the other guy, and his kids). The "Board" is just for "good/legal" governance, including the fact that it's necessary to demonstrate you're running the thing legitimately when it's time to sell up.
 
And there we go. Apathy wins again. Complain all you like on here, but just know that doing nothing but that will lead to nothing changing. Even the most rabid ENIC Outer on here won’t attend demonstrations, but will attend matches whilst they are on. He even spends money on merch and experiences. It’s fucking farcical.

Whilst people post on here several times a day that they are demanding change, but then do absolutely fuck all else, there’ll always be a struggle to make changes.

I haven’t spent a penny on anything Spurs since 2006 , solely because of ENIC . If we all did that they’d have fucked off years ago 👍
 
You do realise that’s most people with regard to everything. Hate the way the country is run , don’t join a political party . Many don’t even vote, something they have to do once every five years . Pissed off with the water companies , don’t protest outside Thames Water offices and pay their bills promptly . Fed up with the trains , buses etc , still pay their fares and don’t protest , the list is endless .

People moan and do nothing it’s human nature . Maybe you are that unusual person who moans about pot holes and then go full Rod Stewart and fill them in yourself , if so fair play, but I doubt it.
I understand that very well. But I was purely pointing out that it shouldn’t be that difficult to start a protest group. If the feeling is there for change.
 
Ok I think I have the perfect protest

We all shave our heads and paint Bald Cunt on our heads . I like this because as a baldy I don’t have to shave my head and I already have it permanently tattooed on my head after a drunken night in Majorca
 
Back
Top