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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Dudski said:
I don't blame the players for carrying out what they are being taught on the training grounds. The watchword is "be brave". If that leaves Spurs vulnerable that's not on them.
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Technically speaking, if they want to play, they have to do what they're told or be dropped for the next player who does what they're told.

So either Ange is telling all the players to do the things that cost is so dearly, or he doesn't understand that they're doing the same thing game after game.

Neither of which reflects well on him.
 
Matt1882 said:
More to the point, how bad does it have to get, before the last few stubborn fans concede they were wrong?


If even this doesn't prove it to the above stubborn fans, then nothing will.


I was thinking about this earlier. Is it not at all possible that players are just following orders?
Like, we assume Porro and Udogie are narrow, leaving acres of space in the FB area for opponents to exploit. It's why the far post is always exposed because there's never a FB there.
Maybe Johnson has been told where to operate and he stays there.
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I have been thinking that too, but it seems so mad for it to be the case. He’s asked to come back, he jogs back, he just doesn’t sprint back into position. Last season I noticed he didn’t come back at all but he has done it this season. It’s just too late. It has been baffling us when we’ve been watching games just because it is so bizarre for it to be a tactical or coaching instruction.
 
Brian Fantana said:
I have been thinking that too, but it seems so mad for it to be the case. He’s asked to come back, he jogs back, he just doesn’t sprint back into position. Last season I noticed he didn’t come back at all but he has done it this season. It’s just too late. It has been baffling us when we’ve been watching games just because it is so bizarre for it to be a tactical or coaching instruction.
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But he does win possession a lot on the halfway line. So much so it feels like a plan.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Honestly, does anyone really care about top 4 anymore?

Top4 is just a fake target to make the PL seem more entertaining even though the same clubs always win
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Matt1882 said:
I'd rather watch us play Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, PSG, Juventus, AC Milan etc than ropey league games.
So yeah, top 4 matters to me.
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And it matters to any player worth actually having too, which is why they leave after a few seasons without it.
Do you honestly think Kane would have stayed and scored over 260 goals for us if we weren't in the CL for most of his time at the club?
 
Matt1882 said:
I'd rather watch us play Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, PSG, Juventus, AC Milan etc than ropey league games.
So yeah, top 4 matters to me.
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Personally I am just less and less interested in the CL, both Tottenham's participation in it and the competition itself, every year.

It was magic to make that run and would be so again, don't get me wrong, but it's an increasingly charmless affair, IMO.
 
I'm sure a few positive results will bring the feel good factor back again. Do remember though under poch when he started we had some poor results first three months. Newcastle 2-1 loss and then we were losing away to Villa. Think Poch said in his book he said to his staff at Villa 1 nil down before he put Kane on he was going to lose his job. We won then got in our stride and never looked back. Ange has had 18 months so comparisons are hes behind schedule and needs to turn it round fast.
 
Nobody3 said:
For me current statistics, what this or that manager done beforehand, or at other clubs, what we were like like 5, 10, 30 years ago, fuck all that its about the here and now and what we are seeing on the pitch and what we are hearing in pre and post match interviews.
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Something I've noticed is Ange talks a lot about what he did in the J-League, SPL, etc., Going forward, he needs to talk less about what he's done in these leagues and more about us and what he wants to achieve. I think this focus on past work serves him poorly.
 
FightingIllini said:
Personally I am just less and less interested in the CL, both Tottenham's participation in it and the competition itself, every year.

It was magic to make that run and would be so again, don't get me wrong, but it's an increasingly charmless affair, IMO.
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One of the biggest issues, and we're seeing it, is that the ropey league is a mega burden on the PL. So if we're not in the top 4, we're actually better off finishing outside the ropey league places. Our best seasons in the last have very often come from going out of the ropey league in the group stages. Even the 2 "title" seasons under Poch was a group stages CL exit and R16 exit. We don't and won't have the squad size to compete at home and abroad. And we almost certainly won't win the ropey league. So we're best off out of it.
Hampshire Spur said:
I'm sure a few positive results will bring the feel good factor back again. Do remember though under poch when he started we had some poor results first three months. Newcastle 2-1 loss and then we were losing away to Villa. Think Poch said in his book he said to his staff at Villa 1 nil down before he put Kane on he was going to lose his job. We won then got in our stride and never looked back. Ange has had 18 months so comparisons are hes behind schedule and needs to turn it round fast.
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They won't. Because we all know it'll be 1 or 2 tainted wins followed by beatings and dreary shit for the next 3-5 games.
 
Matt1882 said:
One of the biggest issues, and we're seeing it, is that the ropey league is a mega burden on the PL. So if we're not in the top 4, we're actually better off finishing outside the ropey league places. Our best seasons in the last have very often come from going out of the ropey league in the group stages. Even the 2 "title" seasons under Poch was a group stages CL exit and R16 exit. We don't and won't have the squad size to compete at home and abroad. And we almost certainly won't win the ropey league. So we're best off out of it.
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Counterpoint: let's fucking win it
 
Matt1882 said:
We won't though. If we can't beat Palace, Ipswich, Bournemouth, Leicester, struggle past Coventry, how the fuck are we ever gonna go all the way against decent teams, ones who often get the benefit of rest in their league games?
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To Dare Is To Do, mate

Surrendering in cups is fucking bullshit, the trophy drought at this club is a toxic cloud over everything, bin the league, damn the fucking torpedoes, lets go win something.
 
Matt1882 said:
Got him the job in the first place IMO
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I think you're right that it must have been a factor. He was probably wounded by José and Conte more than we realize.

People in high positions who have been damaged by insubordination will often have felt it as betrayal. This changes the practical problem of having a junior who is offside into a moral problem. Betrayal is wrong and when a person is convinced someone else has done them a moral wrong, you tend to disregard what the person said, because of course the words of immoral types are not to be trusted.

But sometimes the person who's gone offside is right. They are saying something true and they've only gone offside because they haven't been heard, or they've been spurned.

The leader who confuses the practical with the moral will begin to overvalue loyal people, confusing loyal agreement with competence. "This one agrees with me so I must be right, and I'll bring him upstairs because he's really a smart one." That all feels better than "Perhaps I have made a mess and I'm the one who needs to change."
 
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