Excellent point. There's a far more personal element at work here than I had fully considered.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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The only thing Mourinho ever really publicly slammed Levy for was sacking him.
I don't think Ange is Levy's comfort manager by any stretch, I just think he's genuinely seen the error of his ways in thinking superstar managers can deliver a trophy-winning "culture" boost. Levy is a managerialist by nature, he's ideologically committed to the idea that organizational leadership makes the winning difference, but importing Chelsea's organizational leadership was ill-conceived and I think Levy understands that now and wouldn't do the same thing again.
Mourinho and Conte were quite different, they failed for different reasons, but neither was the right fit for the job, the right concept.
Ange is the right concept, but is he good enough? Is the squad good enough? Well, we're in the process of finding that out.
I said at the time Levy was just hiring someone who was grateful for a big job who was far less likely to kick off and very likely to accept the usual D bucket signings.
Let's face it, people moan Johnson is ordinary, but he gets a goal every other game in the PL. He'd utterly destroy Scotland, Australia and Japan. He's miles better than what Ange has had, and yet some of us don't think he's good enough for us.
Points and league tables are for the unwashed among us
The real fans know the score , the score doesn't matter
They literally drew with us at ours...in the Leicester year. They got VVD like 2 years after that (the year after our first Wembley year)...after they'd already qualified for CL. They may have shipped goals but they were still a massive threat...and they still had our number (not in that Wembley game, of course).
They didn't get CL the first year but they did his second year...and they were threatening from the off and only got better...nothing like Ange, who had a fortune first 10 games and it's been shit ever since.
No point in sacking Ange. Let's let this play out.
Well it's also about the standards we set for ourselves (even during the rebuild). Being in these 3 competitions is the bare minimum for a club of this size in early December. Supposedly 10th richest in the world. Tottenham should be playing in the Champions League every season anyway AND challenge the top four/six at the same time. If we find ourselves mid-season with little more than cup runs to cling to, is this is an amazing season in making?
Right, all that matters is that we continue to enjoy the highly entertaining football we're being treated to
Why? Are things really going to get better under him?
He doesn't manage players playing times, doesn't have a clue what to do when we are losing other than throw all the attacking players and lose the impotent shape we had & doesn't know how to set up a team to defend
I hope I eat my words but I just don't see it unfortunately
Are things going to get any better? Who is available? Nothing much will change until the real issue at the club have gone. I didn't want him in the first place and thought it was another cheap Levy option. This is Levy's mess. Lets see it play out.
I barely notice that in all honesty. Maybe because he does nothing with it or gives it away. He’s a complete waste of space.
Now keep repeating that sentence on loop
Whenever you deviate or start to feel negative thoughts , repeat the sentence
You will continue to enjoy the highly entertaining football we are being treated to
Anybody who wants to keep him is perfectly entitled to his opinion. That being said, this pestering of people who want him gone to provide any alternatives is disingenious. Only purpose is to take advantage of the fact that most of us here are not football junkies who religiously follow hundreds of team and their managers. The fact that someone can't readily provide a list of successors for Ange doesn't mean that he's irrational in wanting him gone. Besides, even if people do provide names, they're usually met with one-liners like "X got his team relegated", "Y lost a cup final", "Z would never work with Levy" and so on. Since it's impossible to prove a purely hypothetical ("How would X do here if he replaced Ange tomorrow?" ), Ange critics are beaten into submission to no fault of their own.
Again, you're perfectly justified in wanting him to stay. Personally, if the decision was between having 6 months of an interim and keeping Ange, I'd be inclined to keep him. But some people think that he sank so below replacement level that anybody half-decent would do better. You don't have to agree, but it's not an irrational stance just because they're not able to name dozens of potential replacements.
Again, you're perfectly justified in wanting him to stay. Personally, if the decision was between having 6 months of an interim and keeping Ange, I'd be inclined to keep him. But some people think that he sank so below replacement level that anybody half-decent would do better. You don't have to agree, but it's not an irrational stance just because they're not able to name dozens of potential replacements.
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That's fair, but if you do suggest someone specific in his place I feel you should be able to answer why you think that
He is a top tier manager in a low level league.
He is at best a mid to low level team manager in a big league. Probably best fit for Liga. Maybe teams like Celta Vigo suits him.
Arguing about merits and demerits of Ange, comparing those to merits and demerits of possible candidates is totally fine. In case you got that feeling from my post, I'm not against speculating about hypotheticals as a rule either. Some don't argue in good faith though. They don't have anything positive to say about Ange, but solely rely on this pestering I mentioned above. They respond others' proposals with lazy one-liners. They accuse people who are so fed up with Ange that they can't wait to see back of him with being irrational. They're not. Like I said, some think that Ange sank so below replacement level that 90 %> of possible replacements would do better. I repeat, I don't even agree with them. I'd still prefer Ange over an interim. Hell, I have a gut feeling that he'll win a trophy this season if he's not sacked. But I disagree with them while still acknowledging that they're perfectly rational. They're not haters. They're not desperate for 'managerial merry go round'. They're not making excuses for Levy.
If anybody wants to defend him, that's totally okay. Go ahead. But make sure that you're actually defending him, and more importantly doing so in good faith. That's all I'm asking for.
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Yes it will. I don't need to name names but there are coaches who can actually coach. The only way it wont get better is if Levy either does nothing or manages to ccompletely fuck it up again.
He got this one wrong. Any mildly competent coach will do better.
I mean, it was him that was going after Cucurella when he slipped,he then took the ball and assisted for Solanke. That sort of thing is fairly common place.
Maybe it's like the anti-BMW drivers who swear blind no BMW indicates ever and it's only BMW's. That's nothing like reality, but they will only ever actively notice what they want to see. IE, that 1 out of 25 BMW's that didn't indicate whilst ignoring the myriad of other brands that also didn't.