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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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The Chris Cowlin podcast review of the game is interesting. Put a lot of onus on the players efforts and players “playing for themselves”. Rich spoilt brats. Not following the game plan. Losing the midfield battles. Not playing with intensity needed. Josh Hughes cracked me up saying it’s as if Bissouma is on the choof before the game.
Gary Maloney talking about mentality. Ally ( the Celtic supporter ) talking about the difference between Ange Celtic and Ange Spurs. It’s the breakdown and lack of follow up. The lack of support. The lack of intensity and the lack of passion. And the lack of adherence to the philosophy. All really interesting to me as a bloke thousands of miles away.
Chris Cowlin strikes me as someone that is somewhat privileged in his role and will not call Levy or the board out.
 
Ally ( the Celtic supporter ) talking about the difference between Ange Celtic and Ange Spurs. It’s the breakdown and lack of follow up. The lack of support. The lack of intensity and the lack of passion. And the lack of adherence to the philosophy. All really interesting to me as a bloke thousands of miles away.
In the SPL Celtic have 4,5,6 in some cases 10 times the salary budget of the other teams apart from Rangers.

That would be like Man City's competition being Man United and 18 Ipswich Towns.

We need to stop this "well, back at Celtic" shite. This isn't Celtic. This isn't the SPL.
 
what a depressing list managers.

ask yourself if Woolwich or liverpool sacked their coaches would they go anywhere near that bunch

If you look at the current top 3, Arteta was hired having never even worked as a manager before. Slot had never managed in a top league. Maresca had one good season in the Championship.

This snootiness over both the background of both players and managers is silly. There are no rigid rules of selection that will guarantee you get the right manager. Lots of inexperienced or obscure managers have done well at the top level. Lots haven't. Ditto for the more established "elite" names.

Pochettino was the 2014 equivalent of Iraola but he turned out to be the best manager we had for decades. I'm not saying Iraola is the guy but you should analyse the qualities of the individual rather than the club that currently employs them. Their vision of football, their personality, their communication skills, etc. You can't just sneer at a manager because they manage Brentford. Who could have done a better job than Frank with that Brentford squad?
 
We all knew how bad Werner was, so did Ange - why get him back again? After signing off on him coming in a second time he has a pop at him. We all know Werner's limitations, so does Ange. Son and Johnson were just as bad if not worse last night, yet Ange doesn't take either to task . He hasn't said bugger all to Romero for his efforts in previous matches either. Unfortunately for Ange he hasn't got the players for his Kamikaze system to work and Ange is too dam stubborn to adapt. Cowardly behavior from Ange - needs Sacking along with the bald freak
Exactly.

My mate used to always say the phrase "if you want to act like a big man, act like a big man to a big man". I don't care about Ange throwing collateral damage players like Werner, Bissouma, Dragusin and Spence under the bus when the fat fraud allows our captain to contribute absolutely nothing for months and the vice captain to be at fault for minimum six goals without him uttering any sort of negative comment their direction.
 
If you look at the current top 3, Arteta was hired having never even worked as a manager before. Slot had never managed in a top league. Maresca had one good season in the Championship.

This snootiness over both the background of both players and managers is silly. There are no rigid rules of selection that will guarantee you get the right manager. Lots of inexperienced or obscure managers have done well at the top level. Lots haven't. Ditto for the more established "elite" names.

Pochettino was the 2014 equivalent of Iraola but he turned out to be the best manager we had for decades. I'm not saying Iraola is the guy but you should analyse the qualities of the individual rather than the club that currently employs them. Their vision of football, their personality, their communication skills, etc. You can't just sneer at a manager because they manage Brentford. Who could have done a better job than Frank with that Brentford squad?
Bang on. Fit > name, always.
 
In the SPL Celtic have 4,5,6 in some cases 10 times the salary budget of the other teams apart from Rangers.

That would be like Man City's competition being Man United and 18 Ipswich Towns.

We need to stop this "well, back at Celtic" shite. This isn't Celtic. This isn't the SPL.
Bang on.

Several pages back some Rangers fan ( baxterboy ) came on here saying don't look at the SPL matches, check out how Celtic performed in Europe when they face decent teams. He was spot on
 
Haven't ready back through all the posts so this might have been called out already.

Ange on Romero digging out the board:

*He realises that a lot of what he said was good but some wasn't the right way of dealing with it.”

“The same way I wouldn't criticise a player publicly.”

He just dug out Werner publicly, he loves to contradict himself.

Passive aggressive twat he is. He lives in his own little bubble where he things he’s seen and done it all. You’ve won a few farmers league mate.

I hate how he always talks down to people in press conferences. He’ll snigger and laugh before answering a question like the person is asking stupid questions. He’s a condescending fool
 
Haven't ready back through all the posts so this might have been called out already.

Ange on Romero digging out the board:

*He realises that a lot of what he said was good but some wasn't the right way of dealing with it.”

“The same way I wouldn't criticise a player publicly.”

He just dug out Werner publicly, he loves to contradict himself.
He contradicts himself all the time and it's getting beyond a joke now how much he does it. There wasn't even 24 hours between that comment and him criticising a player publicly was there?
 
Passive aggressive twat he is. He lives in his own little bubble where he things he’s seen and done it all. You’ve won a few farmers league mate.

I hate how he always talks down to people in press conferences. He’ll snigger and laugh before answering a question like the person is asking stupid questions. He’s a condescending fool
The guy's arrogance is starting to do my nut in.

Conte and Mourinho were arrogant twats but both could point to storied CVs and a body of work at the highest level. I can't recall either calling out the fans either - in fact iirc Conte's rant was on the message of certain players not trying hard enough as the fans paid their wages.
 
A successor doesn't need to be significantly better for a change to make sense. The underlying assumption seems to be that change, as a rule, has a destabilizing effect that needs to be taken into equation when making a decision. Therefore, it's not worth going for marginal gains. Is this assumption true though? Is change, managerial change mid-season to be exact, such a big hassle that it's not worth it unless the difference between predecessor and successor is massive? And exactly how massive this difference needs to be?

Club looks quite destabilized to me right now. People wanting change are not solely looking for marginal gains. They see the potential for a turnaround and they want to take that chance before it's too late. And mid-season managerial change is not a such a difficult one to make. As I mentioned above with Emery and Glasner, clubs do it all the time and get better because of it.
 
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This team are not being coached properly. The younger players are not being coached properly, we need to get Ange out ASAP before he does any more damage to this team. He is so completely out of his depth. If I was a young player under this manager I would want out ASAP. They will not develop under Ange.
 
Woolwich appointed a guy with no managerial experience. Slot had only done well in the Dutch league. Not sold on the latter 2 on that list but Iraola has exactly the same career path as Poch did when we appointed him.

ok hoping that Iraola is somehow Poch reincarnated I get it. baring in mind that Iraola has only won the Cypriot Super Cup whatever that is in his entire playing and coaching career

you konw, I hope it is Iraola just for the predictable incoming he's out of depth, he isn't a winner comments when it fails to yield results in 12 to 18 months.
It will be most amusing for me reading the exact same garbage from the same people because we're aren't fighting for titles with mid table players


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All fans project & have an inflated idea of where their club should be. That isn't just us though is it?
Yes it's fair to say we overachieved under Poch but we are still a far bigger club than West Ham or Fulham.
Fulham are doing well now but they don't have our history or pedigree.
West Ham fans with a new stadium after a couple of top 8 finishes & conference win thought they were bigger than they are, they are certainly not as big as us.

Fact: We are the 3rd most successful club in London

Even by conservative estimates we are a top 8 club in the Prem league.

You wouldn't say that about West Ham or Fulham.
Top 8 for them is overachieving.

We should be a comfortable top 8 club that does well in the cups & finishes top 4 from time to time.

Obviously as fans we want more but I feel it's more than fair to say that is our 'natural' position.
It really is'nt about our position in the league for me, its how we have performed to get there. AP sends us out to play like a bloody Sunday league side, minus any tactical input. The bloke is clueless!
 
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