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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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I'm not doubting it will be anything other than difficult to remove ENIC but, organised external dissent, rather than passive acceptance, may assist any potential buyer to get a better offer from the miser.

Could we not at least 'help' Daniel to reach the best conclusion for Spurs?
60 thousand people aren’t going to use their escapism from life to be angry and protest. Especially when the chances for change are slim to begin with.

That’s saved for extreme cases, like when an owner is asset stripping a club.
 
Manager market is shite mate. I think that's the only thing keeping Ange in the job right now. You think Rodgers is shite, wait till we go with Southgate or Potter.
We move heaven and earth to get Iraola in - this guy will be at a big club in the next 18 months. They play great, they get results? He has improved them significantly. We were brave once when took Poch on - I can see history repeating.

If we let this guy go to Newcastle, I think we will massively regret it
 
Manager market is shite mate. I think that's the only thing keeping Ange in the job right now. You think Rodgers is shite, wait till we go with Southgate or Potter.

The idea of Southgate is the actual end game for me I think. I would have to find a new time consuming hobby that gets me out of shopping every weekend,
Potter was in the same bracket, but since Ange, he's become more appealing.

Agree with almost all of this mate.

He is meant to be a good egg as well, he's from an hour up the road from me and really highly thought off locally.

I don't know what he's actually like, but there's something about him that makes me wonder if he's holding back being a cnut.
True. Ok, so Werner is awful, but will go back.

Drag is ok. I think he's a good back-up CB or CB as one of 5/6 CBs you'd need to play a back 3. played ok last night, and has potential to improve. First season in Prem.

Veliz looks to be not good enough yes. Also Phillips. Tbf some you win, some you lose.

Odobert an unknown as yet.

We are 4-5 elite players short of where we should be as a club - which is what limits us to 3rd-8th place (with a good manager), I still think the acquisitions over the past 15 months have yielded some good players / genuine prospects, and you'd retain the ones I listed as part of a squad with a new manager.

If we say he had a hand in transfers, which most seem to say he did, then they nor he can blame the players when we lose.
 
The idea of Southgate is the actual end game for me I think. I would have to find a new time consuming hobby that gets me out of shopping every weekend,
Potter was in the same bracket, but since Ange, he's become more appealing.


I don't know what he's actually like, but there's something about him that makes me wonder if he's holding back being a cnut.


If we say he had a hand in transfers, which most seem to say he did, then they nor he can blame the players when we lose.
On transfers, it all looks so unprofessional:

- Levy likes youngsters ... low wages and possibility of appreciation! yippee!
- Ange and Levy had convinced themselves - despite the evidence of 3/4 of last season - that he was a good project manager, here for the long-term
- Ergo you sign youngsters
- And wonder why no one else ever thought of this brilliant idea!!
 
60 thousand people aren’t going to use their escapism from life to be angry and protest. Especially when the chances for change are slim to begin with.

That’s saved for extreme cases, like when an owner is asset stripping a club.
Organised dissent could be anything though?

It doesn't have to be placards and shouting.

It could be an independent supporters association with a manifesto.

Could Spurs supporters not pitch the idea of the supporters attempting to buy the club off ENIC?

Or setting up a rival club like FC United?

Or both?

And more?
 
I get what you are trying to say. And I agree with part of it.

But you are missing one aspect in that post.
Question is not that much where manager X or Y is managing. Question is - what is the position of the club he is managing in context of it's competitors.

Celtic is THE powerhouse in Scotland. In terms of it's capacity it is two heads above everyone else.
And there are managers that suit into the the dominant clubs and there are managers that can do well in clubs with different standings. Who can adjust and change around more based on the limitations when you do not have the exact right option that you would need.

Ange has shown in countless of occasions how he is unable to make alterations. He just seems to be the manager who can win you the league in style. If you provide him with (roughly speaking) best player in every single position. If not it's gonna be mostly horrific spectacle. As it has been for us vast majority of Ange time here. He just does not fit into our position. And based on that spell here, no dominant club in their league (your ManCity, Liverpool, Real, Barcelona, Bayern, PSG) will never poke him with a pole that is even 10 miles long.

I’m not making that point to defend Ange. His ideas have been exposed as being far too naive for this level of football. I agree with you, you have to judge performance in the correct context.

Poch finishing 8th with Southampton was a great achievement. Far harder than winning an SPL title with Celtic.
 
Organised dissent could be anything though?

It doesn't have to be placards and shouting.

It could be an independent supporters association with a manifesto.

Could Spurs supporters not pitch the idea of the supporters attempting to buy the club off ENIC?

Or setting up a rival club like FC United?

Or both?

And more?
Buy it off them, they want in excess of £3b - I admire your enthusiasm but I’m good for about £20
 
"Does that tie into the wider issue in the past with Spurs?

I'm sick of that. That's an excuse for me and that's why even with Cristian Romero's comments, I just think that's an excuse. At the moment I'm here, I take responsibility. These players, we're here. If we think something mythical exists in this club that prevents success then change it. What's the point otherwise? Don't come here. I just don't buy into that.

At the moment we're in a difficult situation because of kind of where we are squad-wise and team-wise. You either embrace this challenge. If you want excuses there are a million of them. There are a millions excuses of why we cannot be successful but if that's what your clutch is, particularly in tough moments, then what's the point? Move on then and go somewhere else."



Fucking awful. Why won't he use the excuses? Why is he taking fucking responsibility? what a cunt.
 
"Does that tie into the wider issue in the past with Spurs?

I'm sick of that. That's an excuse for me and that's why even with Cristian Romero's comments, I just think that's an excuse. At the moment I'm here, I take responsibility. These players, we're here. If we think something mythical exists in this club that prevents success then change it. What's the point otherwise? Don't come here. I just don't buy into that.

At the moment we're in a difficult situation because of kind of where we are squad-wise and team-wise. You either embrace this challenge. If you want excuses there are a million of them. There are a millions excuses of why we cannot be successful but if that's what your clutch is, particularly in tough moments, then what's the point? Move on then and go somewhere else."



Fucking awful. Why won't he use the excuses? Why is he taking fucking responsibility? what a cunt.

I do like that answer, I have to admit.

I’d like to see that grit and determination on the pitch though.

I wonder how many of the players in the squad he actually likes?
 
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