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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Richard Arlison said:
"Does that tie into the wider issue in the past with Spurs?

I'm sick of that. That's an excuse for me and that's why even with Cristian Romero's comments, I just think that's an excuse. At the moment I'm here, I take responsibility. These players, we're here. If we think something mythical exists in this club that prevents success then change it. What's the point otherwise? Don't come here. I just don't buy into that.

At the moment we're in a difficult situation because of kind of where we are squad-wise and team-wise. You either embrace this challenge. If you want excuses there are a million of them. There are a millions excuses of why we cannot be successful but if that's what your clutch is, particularly in tough moments, then what's the point? Move on then and go somewhere else."


Fucking awful. Why won't he use the excuses? Why is he taking fucking responsibility? what a cunt.
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What do you mean?

The ENIC envelope supports 4th-8th. And for sure supports beating Rangers (cf Liverpool result there). It supports the odd cup. The injuries are part down to Ange. And the injury list is not so bad it remotely accounts for performances of late.

Accepting our 4th Levy ceiling, the weaknesses appear to be coaching, tactical and motivational. And that is on porky Angelos.
 
manmountainbutters said:
On transfers, it all looks so unprofessional:

- Levy likes youngsters ... low wages and possibility of appreciation! yippee!
- Ange and Levy had convinced themselves - despite the evidence of 3/4 of last season - that he was a good project manager, here for the long-term
- Ergo you sign youngsters
- And wonder why no one else ever thought of this brilliant idea!!
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Ang has never had a job longer than 4 years and that was international football, which is akin to 2 seasons. No idea why people are screaming for him to get time when he's never actually done time.

Kosher Kid said:
Do you reckon there are a million Spurs supporters?
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Imagine if a million Spurs supporters chipped in £4k each to buy the club.
Should we sack Ange? 1 million fans argue with one another.
What players should we sign for Ange/new manager? 1 million fans argue with one another.
And so on and so forth.

It would be nothing if not entertaining to witness.
 
Kosher Kid said:
Could we 'persuade' them to lower their offer?
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What go round Levy's place and pour his Crunchy Nut Cornflakes all over the floor like Super Hans in Peep Show?

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Ed Vanderlay said:
Rubbish , lots of clubs hire managers who do a decent job , they leave in that time frame to move on to bigger and better things , so a positive departure . One manager has gone on to bigger and better things post being involved with Levy . Poch to PSG being an outlier and Conte is doing OK at Napoli right now . However nearly all managers leave Spurs with their reputation diminished not enhanced .
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Ok, so you failed to put in option 3, which is our manager does well and goes to a bigger and better club? Generally happens at clubs much smaller than ours and with much lower ambition.

When it comes to clubs around our size and ambition, almost every managerial appointment ends with the sack. There are outliers - Ferguson, Wenger, Guardiola. But there’s a fuck of a lot more that make my point for me.

Call it rubbish if you wish, but if you are looking for someone to come in and do a Ferguson or a Wenger, and stay with us for a couple of decades before leaving with a statue, you’re setting yourself up for a disappointment.
 
Murphy said:
Now I know you are definitely taking the piss.

Fan consortiums own small clubs. Can you imagine zoom call with 1m people lol.
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We all know the queue to get tickets.

Now imagine the 30m long queue to pick the new manager vote!
Signing off on what striker to buy.
What brand of teabags to stock?
Andrex or Bamboo sustainable toilet roll in the boardroom?

Never ending things to decide on.
Admin nightmare!
 
StripiestPilot said:
If you look at the current top 3, Arteta was hired having never even worked as a manager before. Slot had never managed in a top league. Maresca had one good season in the Championship.

This snootiness over both the background of both players and managers is silly. There are no rigid rules of selection that will guarantee you get the right manager. Lots of inexperienced or obscure managers have done well at the top level. Lots haven't. Ditto for the more established "elite" names.

Pochettino was the 2014 equivalent of Iraola but he turned out to be the best manager we had for decades. I'm not saying Iraola is the guy but you should analyse the qualities of the individual rather than the club that currently employs them. Their vision of football, their personality, their communication skills, etc. You can't just sneer at a manager because they manage Brentford. Who could have done a better job than Frank with that Brentford squad?
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This is simply not true Arne Slot managed in Europe and in a league globally ranked league 12th best. Anges best is 23rd, Japan. 43 scotland, 53 A league (Australia). Honestly if someone offered you surgery with the 12th best doctor or the 23rd or 53rd who would you want holding the scalpel. Oddly people laud Celtic but Ange went to a lower ranked league by being successful there.

Let's keep it simple if you can't get a successful winning coach from Seri A, Bundesliga, La liga. Or a coach who has competed successfully repeatedly in European competion your priority MUST be a coach with EPL experience. Poch had it Harry had it, Ramos Ange didn't. It's not an exact science but you have to play the percentages. By extension Iraola, Silva, Frank are by dint of the jobs they are doing and have done are way more qualified. Iraola managed in the 4th highest ranked league too. Ange is NEVER getting these levels of job.

Ange was over promoted, the system he is wedded to WILL NOT work in the EPL.Giving him more money and players profiled for this busted flush is just silly.
 
FightingIllini said:
I think the idea that this injury ravaged, knackered side stuck playing teenagers out of position twice a week is going to experience any tactical overhaul (positive or negative) under Ryan Mason type leadership is pretty unrealistic. They have neither the time nor the manpower to do anything other than just hang in there and keep executing the best they can.

The familiar is likelier to squeeze a bit of good out of this situation than the unfamiliar.


Even as an Ange fan the Mr. Cuddly stuff always struck me as a weird media affectation that even Ange himself seemed uncomfortable with. They fall to pieces for anyone with a decent wit who will banter with them, it's the same in America.
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This isn’t about whether Mason is a significant improvement; it’s about recognising the necessity of removing Ange sooner rather than later. The longer he stays, the more damage is done to the club’s trajectory, and the harder it becomes to undo. Acting decisively now means less long-term harm and a quicker transition to finding a better-suited manager; I don’t think Mason will do any worse than Ange is currently doing, if we are fortunate he may even provide a boost in results but it’s worth the risk as a temporary solution imo.

The idea that Ange is somehow the safer option because he’s the ‘familiar’ one is not grounded in logic. In fact, all the evidence points to the contrary. The situation has deteriorated game by game, and nothing suggests he’s capable of turning this around.

As for the ‘injury crisis,’ it’s worth noting that it’s largely self-inflicted—stemming from Ange’s relentless, high-intensity demands, playing unfit players to salvage his position. Let’s not forget that before this so-called ‘crisis,’ when the squad was fully fit, the performances were just as lacklustre. Blaming injuries is a convenient but dishonest deflection.

The truth is plain to see mate; this downward spiral is not about unavailable players; it’s about a manager who has yet to demonstrate he can adapt or improve the team’s fortunes. Dragging this out only deepens the hole we’re in, and everyone being honest with themselves knows that.
 
Kosher Kid said:
How many 'supporters' do we have?

In your opinion?
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Paying ones?

By season tickets and waiting lists of people actually prepared to but serious money into a club for fun, I’d say under 200,000. It’s a number pulled out of nowhere concrete, just knowing how many ST holders there are and how quickly I move through the list.

They don’t all fit in the stadium at once of course. And it’s people paying for a product. You cannot seriously think 200,000 people would invest serious cash to not go and watch spurs. Because of wanting to remove an owner.

When a fan owned group is no more likely to install a trophy haul.
 
CarrieFi said:
I do like that answer, I have to admit.

I’d like to see that grit and determination on the pitch though.

I wonder how many of the players in the squad he actually likes?
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The only player he apparently likes is Sarr, because he truly appreciates his secret sauce he puts on his ribs, and also he's a gentle, low maintenence sort. Kulu also gets a pass. The others are all dead to him.
 
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