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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Shadydan said:
Sorry this is the team that everyone expected to win the league at the start of the season, they're currently on a run on 1 win in 14 matches with one of the best squads in Europe and the best manager, I sorry what have I missed?

There's actually a lot of similarities between Pep and Ange notably that both managers are stubborn and won't change their philosophies, Pep could easily get them to sit in a mid block and cull the pressing and they would be winning more matches, Ange could do something similar...both in that respect are doing terrible jobs.
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One rather significant difference is that Pep is the second most decorated manager in PL history and the other has won the SPL.You could take any current manager in the PL and likely championship, put them in charge of Celtic, and they will deliver you the league. It’s much, much easier.

You stick with Pep because you have empirical evidence that he is the best. Ange has done nothing to warrant that faith or comparison.
 
Shadydan said:
Ange in for the rest of the season IMO, no viable alternatives at the moment...let's see if he can turn it round, if he can't then change in the Summer.

I'm not having no Ryan Mason managing this club for the rest of the season sorry, you can do one and anyone that wants that is an impatient fool who doesn't want the best for this club.
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The idea of no viable alternatives is a well-trodden fallacy. The elite managers are unlikely to leave for this poisoned chalice, but many of the lower-tier options mentioned (Iraola, Silva, possibly Frank) would see this as a significant promotion. Money talks.

Sadly Levy has shown his hand with not paying out the far superior manager Slot's contract, and we've ended up with a snippy one-dimensional grouch as a Hail Mary to the fans' desire for "attacking football".
 
Deuterz said:
You’ve missed exactly what I just said lmao. No one is pretending Pep isn’t doing a bad job, they’re just recognising that his team are at the end of a natural managerial cycle which includes an inevitable downturn. Ange has had no success at Spurs, so obviously people are less tolerant of his complete failure so far.
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The original point was comparing Ange with Pep and Amorim and how bad of a job they are all doing in different circumstances. City are not in a different circumstance to us because People could adapt that's the point.

All this talk of coming to an end of their cycle is highlighted because of the way Pep wants to play his football, anyone offering An City an excuse is having a laugh IMO, they might be at the end of their cycle but they don't have to be this bad.
 
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Deuterz said:
Over emotional fans lol.

Mate we are 11th going on 12th and realistically staring down a relegation battle if we were to lose to Wolves which this charlatan 100% could do.

A plank of wood would be doing a better job than he is right now .
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Sorry to say Ryan Mason isn't quite the saviour people think he is...this is a 100% and emotional belief based on the fact that Ange is doing such a bad job and nothing else.
 
Cranston said:
One rather significant difference is that Pep is the second most decorated manager in PL history and the other has won the SPL.You could take any current manager in the PL and likely championship, put them in charge of Celtic, and they will deliver you the league. It’s much, much easier.

You stick with Pep because you have empirical evidence that he is the best. Ange has done nothing to warrant that faith or comparison.
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This isn't the argument.
 
Even Conte - and his age - has changed his tactics and become more pragmatic by adapting to a 4-3-3 system rather the 3-4-3 system he so rigidly stuck to for many years.
But Ange prefer to stubbornly "believe in himself" rather than be pragmatic and adjust his system that's been totally found out.
 
Deuterz said:
Over emotional fans lol.

Mate we are 11th going on 12th and realistically staring down a relegation battle if we were to lose to Wolves which this charlatan 100% could do.

A plank of wood would be doing a better job than he is right now .
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We’re getting into territory now where we are looking for Woolwich to do us a favour and beat Ipswich at home tonight!
 
Slav said:
The idea of no viable alternatives is a well-trodden fallacy. The elite managers are unlikely to leave for this poisoned chalice, but many of the lower-tier options mentioned (Iraola, Silva, possibly Frank) would see this as a significant promotion. Money talks.

Sadly Levy has shown his hand with not paying out the far superior manager Slot's contract, and we've ended up with a snippy one-dimensional grouch as a Hail Mary to the fans' desire for "attacking football".
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Those managers you mentioned aren't leaving their current projects to come and manage at Tottenham Hotspur for the rest of the season, sorry it just isn't happening.

We are a bit delusional when it comes to our club which is weird because we skate the chairman all the time...if we see how bad this chairman is then what makes everyone think that these sort of managers are salivating at the prospect of dropping everything and working under him?
 
Nuts said:
I envy you your faith in the man and genuinely hope that you're more right than I am.
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It's not even really faith in the man himself, it's pragmatic belief that physicality > tactics, especially when you play this type of football.

Ange could definitely be more tactically flexible but he's just as stubborn as Conte was and he's now reached the same levels of frustration caused to the fans.

In this league and modern football in general, you go the route of dominating physically, playing attacking football and pressing, or you go the route of disciplined shithousing (a la Forest). People are saying that when Ange doesn't have the ability to dominate physically he should be prepared to adjust and shithouse. They are probably right but he believes that he can't change his philosophy from trying to dominate, even when he doesn't have the physicality and energy in his squad to do it and it's becoming chaotic.
 
Shadydan said:
Those managers you mentioned aren't leaving their current projects to come and manage at Tottenham Hotspur for the rest of the season, sorry it just isn't happening.

We are a bit delusional when it comes to our club which is weird because we skate the chairman all the time...if we see how bad this chairman is then what makes everyone think that these sort of managers are salivating at the prospect of dropping everything and working under him?
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We will double, if not treble their current wages.

We may well be delusional but many forget that it really is just a job. If someone offers you a lot of money that will dramatically benefit you and your family, you take it.
 
Shadydan said:
How are you pardoning Manchester fucking city and Pep and making allowances for them because they're missing one player yet pure firmly sticking it to Ange and haven't acknowledged that he's missing half his squad, what are we actually doing here?
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Who’s pardoning Pep? He’s doing a shit job right now but they are in a fucking mess. In a few months they could be expelled from the football league. They have a squad full of totally clapped out players who have given up. But Pep has years of success at the elite level behind him, nobody can question his football ideas. They are just in a shit moment.

Our manager is pretty much a novice at the top level of club football. His tactics are not working and he’s destroying our players legs. He is literally saying he will not change, that he can’t conceive of a plan B and that there’s no reason to change anything because he’s had success with these ideas in League One level competitions. Why should we believe in him?
 
Skippa18 said:
We are not beating a respectable European team home or away in a knockout game with Postecoglou and his band of merry men.

Chris Davies was the best coach at the club and he's gone, Was the only coach we had with significant top level experience.

Ange isn't a coach but an out of depth motivational manager delegating to a coaching set up that was coaching our under 18's and 2 that failed at Hibbs.

We might as well be backing a 3 legged rocking horse.

For context Celtics coaches were there before him and are still there now.... Ange Postecoglou brought in harry Kewell(got sacked by Barnet) and is now no longer at Celtic and currently not working.

Other than a "good Idea", I'm not seeing anything from Ange Postecoglou.

9/10 times any club that keeps throwing players forward will score goals. They are top players that most have been playing in world class academies since the age of 6.

Levy/Enic are an issue, how they picked the Postecoglou project over a Nagelsmann one is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in football.

Postecoglou is a bigger issue right now and needs to go.
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Not in this current, tired and broken state physically.

At full strength, with energetic and physical advantages this team can beat anyone in the EL, whether it's Ange playing this style or the next attacking, front foot manager. If anything, Ange's cultish, motivational speaker style would probably give him a slight advantage over the next man if we did get to a Final.
 
I don't believe the board, Lange, Levy have not had a conversation in private about the strong possibility of AP's replacement and compiled a short list. The likelihood being a summer signing.
By now most fans can see Ange is a bombastic, stubborn fool who is out of his depth in the EPL. His approach and build plan is unworkable regardless of personnel and money spent. For these reason we should get rid asap, bring in an interim manager, before this guy destroys the confidence and limbs of the likes of Gray, Bergvall, Sarr, VDV, Spence, Ugogie, Vicario etc, someone will come, get Bosque out of retirement, or Potter, or whoever, they will come if the offer is right on a 5 month contract. In the mean time put everything in place for the permanent manager to walk through the door on May 30th.
 
Cranston said:
We will double, if not treble their current wages.

We may well be delusional but many forget that it really is just a job. If someone offers you a lot of money that will dramatically benefit you and your family, you take it.
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If the likes of Iraola and Silva carry on they're not going to be short of options so why move now when you could have better and more choices in the Summer?

Why put yourself under more pressure leaving a job where you are doing well coming into a role where you are firefighting from day one and expected to get results despite having no time or pre season.

If I was one of them I'd be asking myself why would I move to a club who sack a manager with half the team missing and halfway through a rebuild, that's a massive red flag.
 
StripiestPilot said:
Who’s pardoning Pep? He’s doing a shit job right now but they are in a fucking mess. In a few months they could be expelled from the football league. They have a squad full of totally clapped out players who have given up. But Pep has years of success at the elite level behind him, nobody can question his football ideas. They are just in a shit moment.

Our manager is pretty much a novice at the top level of club football. His tactics are not working and he’s destroying our players legs. He is literally saying he will not change, that he can’t conceive of a plan B and that there’s no reason to change anything because he’s had success with these ideas in League One level competitions. Why should we believe in him?
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Their off the field court case has night to do with what's happening on the field, they were charged 2 years ago and won 2 leagues and a CL since then.

Their should be no excuses thrown at City,
they are bag of shite and Pep for all his experience should be doing better.
 
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Shadydan said:
If the likes of Iraola and Silva carry on they're not going to be short of options so why move now when you could have better and more choices in the Summer?

Why put yourself under more pressure leaving a job where you are doing well coming into a role where you are firefighting from day one and expected to get results despite having no time or pre season.

If I was one of them I'd be asking myself why would I move to a club who sack a manager with half the team missing and halfway through a rebuild, that's a massive red flag.
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We could get Iraola or Silva out of Bournemouth or Fulham easily. They would both be mad to turn down the money.

Silva would be a horrible fit for this squad, Iraola on paper is a better fit but I would expect similar issues to happen and the fanbase to turn on him even quicker than they have Ange because he's not as good with the media. He's not as idealistic so the chaotic Liverpool result doesn't happen under Iraola most likely but there is no reason why the Palace, Forest, and Fulham results wouldn't happen under Iraola.
 
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