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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Shadydan said:
How are you pardoning Manchester fucking city and Pep and making allowances for them because they're missing one player yet pure firmly sticking it to Ange and haven't acknowledged that he's missing half his squad, what are we actually doing here?
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Because it IS a completely different situation lmao.

City are at the end of a cycle. The squad is exhausted having won everything there is to win. He’s been there for years. Every manager (other than fergie) has a cycle. The off field stuff is obviously impacting them.

It’s not JUST the injuries for City - although they don’t just have one injury at all. They’ve had massive success and now that cycle of success is over.

It’s less fucking tolerable the second season in to a reign minus all the success. We’ve fast forwarded to all the shit. Ange isn’t at the end of a cycle, he’s just a crap manager.
 
Shadydan said:
Ange in for the rest of the season IMO, no viable alternatives at the moment...let's see if he can turn it round, if he can't then change in the Summer.

I'm not having no Ryan Mason managing this club for the rest of the season sorry, you can do one and anyone that wants that is an impatient fool who doesn't want the best for this club.
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It would honestly be hard for Mason to do any worse than Ange is currently doing. Like you could stick a fan in as coach and probably get similar results.
 
Deuterz said:
Because it IS a completely different situation lmao.

City are at the end of a cycle. The squad is exhausted having won everything there is to win. He’s been there for years. Every manager (other than fergie) has a cycle. The off field stuff is obviously impacting them.

It’s not JUST the injuries for City - although they don’t just have one injury at all. They’ve had massive success and now that cycle of success is over.

It’s less fucking tolerable the second season in to a reign minus all the success. We’ve fast forwarded to all the shit. Ange isn’t at the end of a cycle, he’s just a crap manager.
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Sorry this is the team that everyone expected to win the league at the start of the season, they're currently on a run on 1 win in 14 matches with one of the best squads in Europe and the best manager, I sorry what have I missed?

There's actually a lot of similarities between Pep and Ange notably that both managers are stubborn and won't change their philosophies, Pep could easily get them to sit in a mid block and cull the pressing and they would be winning more matches, Ange could do something similar...both in that respect are doing terrible jobs.
 
Richard Arlison said:
You'd have to respect it if he did.

Finish 16th and win the EL and it's still our best ever season in the PL era.
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It's the main reason that I can't hit the Ange out button yet, at least not until there's a real threat of relegation. Not that I for one minute really believe he will drive us on to win the EL - there are better coached, mentally stronger teams than us in the competition - but intrigue is currently getting the better of me. I want to see if this overblown strep-throat navel-gazer and our weird assembly of misfits can actually go full Dodgeball and do it. Like one of those 'science' experiments you do as kids when the teacher's not looking and you grab any old combination of chemicals to hand and pour them into a beaker to see if they explode.

Also, Shadydan Shadydan is right: who exactly is going to come in at this stage? Who's out there? I'm all for a really good manager who isn't such an idealist as Ange nor as stone-cold a pragmatist like Conte, but I have zero idea if such a person is currently available.

What I wrote before stands; I don't personally care if he stays or goes. But will the players be happy with his departure? There are a fair few things to consider here. It's not as simple as chucking something in the bin and shouting "next!".
 
Shadydan said:
Sorry this is the team that everyone expected to win the league at the start of the season, they're currently on a run on 1 win in 14 matches with one of the best squads in Europe and the best manager, I sorry what have I missed?

There's actually a lot of similarities between Pep and Ange notably that both managers are stubborn and won't change their philosophies, Pep could easily get them to sit in a mid block and cull the pressing and they would be winning more matches, Ange could do something similar...both in that respect are doing terrible jobs.
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It's actually beyond a coincidence that both teams are struggling hard, with remarkably similar tactical issues being exposed because - for different reasons - they can't maintain a level of physical dominance.

Pep because they are either burnt out or off-cycle PEDs (most likely both)
Ange because he doesn't have the depth to be physically dominant when key players are overplayed or injured.

The consequence is exactly the same for both where the system is easy to play through and chaotic.
 
Nuts said:
It's the single reason that I can't hit the Ange out button yet, at least not until there's a real threat of relegation. Not that I for one minute really believe he will drive us on to win the EL - there are better coached, mentally stronger teams than us in the competition - but intrigue is currently getting the better of me. I want to see if this overblown strep-throat navel-gazer and our weird assembly of misfits can actually go full Dodgeball and do it. Like one of those 'science' experiments you do as kids when the teacher's not looking and you grab any old combination of chemicals to hand and pour them into a beaker to see if they explode.

Also, Shadydan Shadydan is right: who exactly is going to come in at this stage? Who's out there? I'm all for a really good manager who isn't such an idealist as Ange nor as stone-cold a pragmatist like Conte, but I have zero idea if such a person is currently available.

What I wrote before stands; I don't personally care if he stays or goes. But will the players be happy with his departure? There are a fair few things to consider here. It's not as simple as chucking something in the bin and shouting "next!".
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By all accounts it sounds like the players are content under him, they haven't stopped playing for him yet, that is normally a tale tale sign on whether you keep a manager or not.

I think the board are looking at this period and looking at our injuries which gives him a bit of time in the hope that we can put together a run when they come back. Throwing the baby out the bathwater now when he doesn't have key players needed for his system isn't a good look.
 
Shadydan said:
By all accounts it sounds like the players are content under him, they haven't stopped playing for him yet, that is normally a tale tale sign on whether you keep a manager or not.

I think the board are looking at this period and looking at our injuries which gives him a bit of time in the hope that we can put together a run when they come back. Throwing the baby out the bathwater now when he doesn't have key players needed for his system isn't a good look.
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Of course they are happy. Conte said it best. They are used to it and comfortable.
 
Nuts said:
It's the main reason that I can't hit the Ange out button yet, at least not until there's a real threat of relegation. Not that I for one minute really believe he will drive us on to win the EL - there are better coached, mentally stronger teams than us in the competition - but intrigue is currently getting the better of me. I want to see if this overblown strep-throat navel-gazer and our weird assembly of misfits can actually go full Dodgeball and do it. Like one of those 'science' experiments you do as kids when the teacher's not looking and you grab any old combination of chemicals to hand and pour them into a beaker to see if they explode.

Also, Shadydan Shadydan is right: who exactly is going to come in at this stage? Who's out there? I'm all for a really good manager who isn't such an idealist as Ange nor as stone-cold a pragmatist like Conte, but I have zero idea if such a person is currently available.

What I wrote before stands; I don't personally care if he stays or goes. But will the players be happy with his departure? There are a fair few things to consider here. It's not as simple as chucking something in the bin and shouting "next!".
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I'm not Ange in because there is nobody better. I'm Ange in because I want to see the culture of the club change from flaking and flip flopping when the plan hits the rocks. I don't see relegation being likely, no matter how painful this shit is right now.

If Ange, (or any manager playing this type of physically demanding, high-risk style) gets 2 high-level players in January and our 2 CBs and GK recover to full strength physically and stay fit (FFS get some good PEDs or HGH... whatever is it Liverpool do) there is absolutely no reason we can't get past every team in the EL. By the time the knockouts come around, UTD will be there and we will be there, it can be done.
 
Richard Arlison said:
You'd have to respect it if he did.

Finish 16th and win the EL and it's still our best ever season in the PL era.

After last night, I'm expecting us to lose to Wolves and Levy to panic, though.
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We are not beating a respectable European team home or away in a knockout game with Postecoglou and his band of merry men.

Chris Davies was the best coach at the club and he's gone, Was the only coach we had with significant top level experience.

Ange isn't a coach but an out of depth motivational manager delegating to a coaching set up that was coaching our under 18's and 2 that failed at Hibbs.

We might as well be backing a 3 legged rocking horse.

For context Celtics coaches were there before him and are still there now.... Ange Postecoglou brought in harry Kewell(got sacked by Barnet) and is now no longer at Celtic and currently not working.

Other than a "good Idea", I'm not seeing anything from Ange Postecoglou.

9/10 times any club that keeps throwing players forward will score goals. They are top players that most have been playing in world class academies since the age of 6.

Levy/Enic are an issue, how they picked the Postecoglou project over a Nagelsmann one is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in football.

Postecoglou is a bigger issue right now and needs to go.
 
Richard Arlison said:
I'm not Ange in because there is nobody better. I'm Ange in because I want to see the culture of the club change from flaking and flip flopping when the plan hits the rocks. I don't see relegation being likely, no matter how painful this shit is right now.

If Ange, (or any manager playing this type of physically demanding, high-risk style) gets 2 high-level players in January and our 2 CBs and GK recover to full strength physically and stay fit (FFS get some good PEDs or HGH... whatever is it Liverpool do) there is absolutely no reason we can't get past every team in the EL. By the time the knockouts come around, UTD will be there and we will be there, it can be done.
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I envy you your faith in the man and genuinely hope that you're more right than I am.
 
Shadydan said:
Sorry this is the team that everyone expected to win the league at the start of the season, they're currently on a run on 1 win in 14 matches with one of the best squads in Europe and the best manager, I sorry what have I missed?

There's actually a lot of similarities between Pep and Ange notably that both managers are stubborn and won't change their philosophies, Pep could easily get them to sit in a mid block and cull the pressing and they would be winning more matches, Ange could do something similar...both in that respect are doing terrible jobs.
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You’ve missed exactly what I just said lmao. No one is pretending Pep isn’t doing a bad job, they’re just recognising that his team are at the end of a natural managerial cycle which includes an inevitable downturn. Ange has had no success at Spurs, so obviously people are less tolerant of his complete failure so far.
 
Murphy said:
Given the volume of games and lack of time on the training pitch, he might still be here for the Woolwich game lol

The longer he’s here the more I doubt we will buy anyone in January.

He’s on borrowed time. He’s not going to get substantial reinforcements and a new guy will get no time to assess the squad.
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As shit as the squad is, I think a new man would get us up the league fairly sharpish. I’d definitely sign a proper fullback though as Porro and udogie are looking more like wingbacks with every game, which of course they are.

The thing is, we’ve actually had a decent set of fixtures first half of the season, second half they get a lot harder. It’s another bloody season of nothingness unless the new guy can get us performing in the Europa League.
 
Shadydan said:
A completely pointless change that doesn't prove anything, it's a short term shot in the arm for over emotional fans who haven't thought about the consequences of sacking this manager, not having it sorry.
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Over emotional fans lol.

Mate we are 11th going on 12th and realistically staring down a relegation battle if we were to lose to Wolves which this charlatan 100% could do.

A plank of wood would be doing a better job than he is right now .
 
manmountainbutters said:
Davies may well stay on tho. He is well liked it seems
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Mate of mine told me that a friend of his sat next to him at a lunch dinner whatever. Said he was really down to earth, interesting, all round good guy. Only transpired at the end that he was a footballer.

Glad to hear it but I really wasn't surprised. Hope he gets a contract extension. Maybe future coach or running the academy if that's what he wants.
 
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