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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Also which "top jobs" will the likes of Iraola be holding out for anyway?

Who might be looking for a new manager come the summer?

City? Depending on the case they'll either be fucked or get off Scott free and resume chasing elite players and managers

Goons? They won't sack Legohead so depends if he walks himself

Maresca seems secure at the Chavs

Slot is going nowhere anytime soon

Emery won't be sacked for a fall off after reaching highs Villa haven't experienced for decades (and face it still doing much better than us)

Amorim is new enough in post not to be in danger.

Offer to triple his salary, because the only other "big" clubs I see with likely vacancies at the end of the season are Newcastle and Everton. Are we that unattractive that we struggle to recruit against them?

Any truly good manager who believes in himself isn’t going to chase a job because of more money and lack of other options.

In fact any manager that comes to this club in its current state instantly raises red flags for me.
 
Current crisis at CB has me wondering why we sold Dier? Dier was always solid when he had to come in and Dragusin isnt much of an upgrade.

VDV/Romero/Drag/Dier.

There's your 4 centre halves going into a season in Europe with Davies as emergency cover.

Ange will say it's because Dier is too slow to play his high line shite but Dragusin isn't exactly fast.
 
Yes and no. I think our forward line is shit. Son is past it, Johnson good goal scorer but little else only Solanke decent as an all round footballer.

However we do on paper have 2-3 good wing backs and a bit of depth in the middle. A manager that plays 352 or some form of wing back system could do better I think simply due to the personal. I think a back 4 hurts us and not just because the full backs are high and inverted but due to the personal at the back and the front just not fitting.

With Spence, Porro and Udogie as wingers we should be able to generate chances to Solanke, Richy, Johnson etc while having enough players back to deal with counters. Oddly this is a squad sort of suited for Conte.

I just wish Ange would try something like that. Poch for all the criticism of being stubborn used wing backs at times and when we had Rose, Walker with Dembele in the middle it was very effective.
Poch adapted a lot. We changed systems and tactics fairly regularly until the end when everyone ran out of gas. But always with his philosophy for football in mind. Same under Jose for that matter. And Conte notoriously changed systems between his first and second season.

And that's the difference between those three and Ange. They have a philosophy for football, but know that there are multiple ways to achieve it. Ange is all philosophy, no tactics.

Angeball is not a system or a tactic, it is a philosophy and idea. Nothing more.
 
Any truly good manager who believes in himself isn’t going to chase a job because of more money and lack of other options.

In fact any manager that comes to this club in its current state instantly raises red flags for me.
No the opposite.

This club punches well below its weight. I want a manager with the confidence and self belief that they can finally get it winning trophies. They should have that ego.

What's the alternative, just shut the club down? Have no manager at all? Have Paul Coyte pick the starting XI out of a hat?
 
No the opposite.

This club punches well below its weight. I want a manager with the confidence and self belief that they can finally get it winning trophies. They should have that ego.

What's the alternative, just shut the club down? Have no manager at all? Have Paul Coyte pick the starting XI out of a hat?

Yes we need someone who’s won trophies. Someone who won’t stand for Levy’s bullshit. Someone like Conte. Or Jose Mourinho. They’d turn this club around.
 
Yes we need someone who’s won trophies. Someone who won’t stand for Levy’s bullshit. Someone like Conte. Or Jose Mourinho. They’d turn this club around.
I'm not saying that though am I?

Look, I know ENIC are ultimately responsible for us being underachievers. There's no argument from me here, but Ange is isn't appointed by any other club either.

This season is going well beyond simple underachieving.
 
It’s a better squad than the performances would indicate. It’s very clearly underperforming.
compare what conte had from the midfield backwards to whats available now and its huge. yes kane is a big miss and son has regressed, but the midfield, defence and keeper have all been sufficiently upgraded.

what conte had
lloris
emerson, dier, davies, romero, sanchez, doherty, perisic
PEH, bentancur, skipp, winks, ndombele, lo celso

now
vicario
VDV, porro, romero, udogie, drag, davies, spence
sarr, bissouma, bentancur, maddison, kulu, gray, berg


them 3 lines have been sufficiently upgraded. the front line needs big investment and we are still a quality CM short....unless gray or berg can become that missing piece.
 
I can't for the life of me understand anyone who thinks one way of playing in the epl is a great tactic? It's fucking unreal, madness and doomed to fail!
You've got players (Robertson for one) playing for the top team in the league, a team 6-7 points clear of everyone else? saying Slot tweaks their individual game, every game and still some Spurs supporters are still backing Ange's methods!!!!
 
I'm not saying that though am I?

Look, I know ENIC are ultimately responsible for us being underachievers. There's no argument from me here, but Ange is isn't appointed by any other club either.

This season is going well beyond simple underachieving.

Mate you said

I want a manager with the confidence and self belief that they can finally get it winning trophies. They should have that ego.

I brought up 2 managers who had a history of winning major trophies, came here, didn’t get backed by Levy and were fired.

Look no further than our current manager to check all of your boxes.
Ego ✅
Self belief ✅
Won trophies ✅ (granted at lower levels)
 
compare what conte had from the midfield backwards to whats available now and its huge. yes kane is a big miss and son has regressed, but the midfield, defence and keeper have all been sufficiently upgraded.

what conte had
lloris
emerson, dier, davies, romero, sanchez, doherty, perisic
PEH, bentancur, skipp, winks, ndombele, lo celso

now
vicario
VDV, porro, romero, udogie, drag, davies, spence
sarr, bissouma, bentancur, maddison, kulu, gray, berg


them 3 lines have been sufficiently upgraded. the front line needs big investment and we are still a quality CM short....unless gray or berg can become that missing piece.
They haven’t been “sufficiently” upgraded. Our squad depth is absolute ass and players like Son have massively regressed since Conte was here. So essentially we’ve lost Kane and Son.

Also people on here may not like to talk about him in that way but Conte is a world class manager. Easily top 10 in the world. Of course his tactics can get more out of the players. We won’t be getting a manager at that level again anytime soon. The era of deluxe spurs that Poch created is over and we’re back to Jol/Redknapp style teams at best.

I see no point in sacking Ange mid season with the state of this squad. If we’re going to get rid then we might as well wait until the Summer when the likes of Iraola would be more willing to jump ship. Even then, I can’t get excited for anymore “projects”. Levy will always leave his manager short in crucial areas in the Summer.
 
You said you guaranteed it and now you say there are no guarantees.

Bournemoth and Fulham aren't qualifying for the CL btw.. Not sure what you ae getting at there.

Yeah you must have misinterpreted what I said about the CL, my point was the coming to a club with EL football isn't a big draw unlike going to a club with CL football which kinda justifies my point about Tottenham not being a big draw for these managers.
 
Do you feel in the two weeks that you said that sarcastically that maybe there is a different way people would look at you now in terms of the Spurs fanbase because you've lost four in five and it's become more difficult this job?

I keep saying fanbase, they love their football club, they care about their football club and want their football club to succeed. They made those feelings and emotions seen. I haven't felt anything but support since I have been here and I still feel that support is there. I keep doing what I think is the right thing to get success to this football club and that doesn't change.

The task is difficult at the moment because of our situation but like most things that are fairly difficult to traverse, it's only temporary and we'll get through it and come out stronger.

Do you feel under pressure and is this the most difficult period of your career?

No and no. It is what it is. It’s not what motivates or drives me. I have always, my motivation for what I do is try to create teams who win things and have success and make an impact. That doesn’t really change. I will keep doing what I am doing.

It doesn’t add any pressure or I don’t feel any extra anxiety about anything. I firmly believe we will get through this and come out stronger and create the team we want to be.
 
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