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Player Ben Davies

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Spursidol said:
4 fixtures left to play in December and atm its Dragusin/Gray as our only available CB's with first team experience .... with Dorrington on hot standby.

I'm glad I'm not advising Ange if player is ready to play or not.
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Not least with the mounting pressure on Ange......

If we'd have played well and won last night he might have got away with a loss v Ston (or at least a shitty draw) and maybe got away with giving Dorrington a debut alongside Dragusin at St Marys in the process, but not now...... Nor in a cup match v Man U...... Nor against the league leaders.

Lose the next 2 and I think he's finished (you can then use the Wolves, Forest & Dippers games under an interim to cleanse he pallet a bit whilst we get a new set up in place for the new year).

.....But yeh; back to Ben. Just save him for January. It's not worth the risk now. Man U is the BIG game here and that'll come too soon.
 
When will Ben Davies be back?

Ben, that was a week ago and it’s not as bad as we thought. There is a chance he’ll be back, hopefully, before the new year.
 
Spursidol said:

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Back v Wolves, possibility v Notts Forest
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Murphy said:
People screaming at the medical team when it could be pushing him hard in training to be ready. 🤷‍♀️
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This club has been in injury crisis mode long before Ange although its not been good during his tenure. Something is not right with our medical situation. Might simply be we always have thin squads and overpay players but it is a shambles.
 
I don’t doubt that there are issues with our medical team but you have to also suspect Ange’s training methods and demands on players are part of the problem.

He rushed his two best CBs back against Chelsea, they got re-injured during the game. Davies get re-injured as soon as he returns to training. Richarlison gets re-injured a couple of games into his comeback. Odobert gets re-injured after 2 minutes of football. Son does his hamstring and re-injures it in his comeback game. Udogie constantly having knocks and setbacks.

We’ve had injuries before but never like this.
 
StripiestPilot said:
I don’t doubt that there are issues with our medical team but you have to also suspect Ange’s training methods and demands on players are part of the problem.

He rushed his two best CBs back against Chelsea, they got re-injured during the game. Davies get re-injured as soon as he returns to training. Richarlison gets re-injured a couple of games into his comeback. Odobert gets re-injured after 2 minutes of football. Son does his hamstring and re-injures it in his comeback game. Udogie constantly having knocks and setbacks.

We’ve had injuries before but never like this.
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what is it about his training methods that make you think it's the training?

I initially thought the CBs were rushed back by Ange but he isn't able to clear them to play, only the medical team can do that and tbh both actually returned after the initial prognosis when they first got hurt...

Romero injured his foot in a tackle was meant to be out for 1 game but then took weeks to come back then injured his quad....

VDV was meant to be back after the international break, then came back 2 or 3 games after it and tweaked it during the game...

Now maybe Ange played VDV longer than he planned to and that could be on him but it's a massive reach to say either are on Ange really.

If we knew more about the training and how that compares to other teams then maybe we could realistically say it's training but all we really know is that they get injured and get injured again when they return from injury.

If people just say we have intense training so that's why we get injuries then their brains aren't engaged. Are we the only club with intense training? If we didn't train with intensity, wouldn't that make the physical adaptation to the intensity of games MORE likely to cause injuries?
 
Richard Arlison said:
what is it about his training methods that make you think it's the training?

I initially thought the CBs were rushed back by Ange but he isn't able to clear them to play, only the medical team can do that and tbh both actually returned after the initial prognosis when they first got hurt...

Romero injured his foot in a tackle was meant to be out for 1 game but then took weeks to come back then injured his quad....

VDV was meant to be back after the international break, then came back 2 or 3 games after it and tweaked it during the game...

Now maybe Ange played VDV longer than he planned to and that could be on him but it's a massive reach to say either are on Ange really.

If we knew more about the training and how that compares to other teams then maybe we could realistically say it's training but all we really know is that they get injured and get injured again when they return from injury.

If people just say we have intense training so that's why we get injuries then their brains aren't engaged. Are we the only club with intense training? If we didn't train with intensity, wouldn't that make the physical adaptation to the intensity of games MORE likely to cause injuries?
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What I don’t get is why Liverpool have players who can play and clearly must train with extreme intensity yet not getting injured so much. We have had it under Poch, Jose, Conte and now Ange and Ange seems to be the worst but to me there is something not right with the medical situation or we simply have to thin a squad in terms of quality so over play. I don’t know but it’s killing us.
 
Tomo said:
What I don’t get is why Liverpool have players who can play and clearly must train with extreme intensity yet not getting injured so much. We have had it under Poch, Jose, Conte and now Ange and Ange seems to be the worst but to me there is something not right with the medical situation or we simply have to thin a squad in terms of quality so over play. I don’t know but it’s killing us.
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Liverpool's injury record needs to be studied. They are like that Pep barca team that just NEVER got injured and were always 2 levels more intense than anyone.

It's beyond weird and it's not just coincidental. Coincidences don't exist for stuff like this.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Train like we play mate it's who we are....
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Actually every single sport wants to train like they play because it's meant to make injuries less likely. The idea is that the human body adapts and it's when you shock it with new levels of intensity that injuries happen.

People complaining that we play and train intensely are literally just looking for somewhere to lay the blame.
 
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