It was a f**king joke.
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Player Ben Davies
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So you don't think the training and system cause the injuries?
No not at all. They are being caused by nanites. But no the system is not causing injuries.
There is definitely a bit of both at play. Our medical department is below par and is rightly being under review as per recent reports.
But Ange's style and training methods definitely just exasperate the problem.
How do they do that?
Having the same players play that system every 3 days might exasperate it but Liverpool have been doing that as well for years under Klopp. Salah literally never gets a rest in CL weeks.
The root cause of the multiple injuries are probably too many games with too little recovery time in between - and FIFA/UEFA's ludicrous increase in international tournament sizes in recent years turning football into a year round activity with insufficient time for pre-season (so players start the season less fit than they should be)
ATM we are playing weekend-midweek- weekend which gives recovery times between games of 3 or 4 days - and I've read elsewhere a number of medics/physios saying that with our players running 10 kms or more each game ideally they should be having a minimum of 4 days between matches and rotated so that they are not playing every game.
And if you get a few injuries it restricts the opportunity for rotation and increases the probability of the fit players picking up injuries.
We started off the season with a squad that was full in terms of EL squad rules (ie no more players that could be included - and hence no room for Spence to be included) but within that squad we had Richarlison and Odobert who became injured very quickly, Bergvall who initially was not experienced to play much (although he's looking much better half way through the season) with the squad having the limited reinforcement by the inclusion of youngsters Mikey Moore and Will Lankshear who can play a few games each.
But fundamentally our squad was relatively thin, and vulnerable to under performing or inconsistent players (and I would argue that Bissouma and Bentancur are both in that category), Son's decline in being able to play twice a week at a high level has been very sudden, and a few unusual events such as Vicario getting injured, Bentancur's 7 match suspension and it all affects the real depth of the squad
So I'm not sure that either Ange's coaching regime or medic's are entirely to blame, there a lot of luck involved too, and some players are better suited naturally to playing every 3 days - but I'd certainly be blaming FIFA/UEFA who are currently being sued by international players union for their increase in international match commitments.
Salah is a physical monster. Our players are made out of sticks. When Liverpool played us recently look at how much stronger their players where than ours. Only a few like Bergvall looked of a similar physicality.
Agree with all of that.
Could we have swapped Richy for Spence in the EL squad when he got injured? if yes, I'd wonder why we didn't.
And as logical as all of that is, it still doesn't explain how Liverpool played Klopp's heavy metal football every 3 days in the CL and PL but never had the same problems. We have often been following a similar model to them so we need to know how they do it.
The whole "We train like we play" thing cannot be good in regards to this.
I think some players are better at it than others - compare Salah and Son for example, both much the same age and both forwards who put a lot of energy into their game, and broadly speaking both players every manager and fans dream player two years ago
Son was very effective playing twice a week two years ago, and as effective as Salah, but whether its age catching up with Son or the fact we were not in europe last season so his body got out of the habit of playing twice a week, but these days Salah is still a fantastic player, Son can still be fantastic but not playing twice a week
Our players are exhausted because the way are implementing elements of this silly system. Its not merely about how you set up. Angeball is ridiculously heedless of game state, it has next to no game management. Watching Forest kill us yesterday once they were a head and expend little or no energy in doing so was fucking embarrassing. You'd expect nothing less from a devotee of Frade.
Its not bad luck causing the injuries nor is it the system it is this coach and his ethos that are the root problem. You will always only ever be getting them back to break them again
Tomo
until he goes this is it. And the word is exacerbated it's being exacerbated by the demands of the current football calender. This in itself was one of the first wheels I realised that would break Angeball in the EPL.
I think some if them got the bullet at the start of the season ( if memory serves)
I wonder how far off Ben is to actually having his full badges. He already has all the ones needed to be an assistant or to coach the u21s.
Medical staff, you mean?
I think, personally, its pretty safe to say that our injury issues are substantial but i really don't think there is much correlation with what people think is happening to the truth.
Our CB's do not do that many intensive sprints and considering that is the area where we are having most issues its more than likely that injuries and game volume mean players who come in have to play more and get injured more easily because they cannot be rotated as much.
People are always looking for excuses or some kind of conspiracy
People are looking for somewhere to blame, facts don’t come into it.
But conspiracy or not, Liverpool doping would go some way to explaining how so many of their players stayed injury free and so incredibly intense under Klopp.
Yes and I agree
Ben Davies was awarded UEFA A and Elite Youth A Licence earlier this year after studying over the past two years whilst coaching at Tottenham Hotspur youth set up.
The UEFA A licence allows Davies to take charge of youth teams up to the age of 18, reserve teams and professional second-tier sides.
I think the next stage would probably to become an Assistant Coach at a professional club (which I'd guess might be Spurs) , and then aim to get the 'managers' badge - but he's well on his way.
Liverpool know when to switch it on and off, rest on the ball, move as a unit etc
We're far from that. Example: Solanke yesterday running like a dog pointlessly pressing Nottingham defenders by himself at one point