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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I think what was appealing to Levy about Postecoglou is he would have been able to come in and say, "Look, I can give you what Man City has without having to spend like they do because I have this special system that is unlike anyone else's in the league." But even Man City, and certainly Southampton, have found out the league adapts whatever the system. High lines and high energy can work, but they aren't a cure all. You won't make a system like that work without quality and depth and those things cost money.
That’s the whole issue about Ange not using the other players in the squad to rotate, so as not to run the first teamers ragged until they are too knackered to be at their best or be in a position to avoid injuries. That’s on Ange.
I struggle to see us beating Wolves. We have no fit centre backs and he would rather find a square peg for a round hole than play Dorrington.
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Murphy... read my post again. I said I don't think Levy will sack him. I'd of sacked him after Ipswich...
I love all the guys saying, "We need a real manager!" Like any manager forced to end a game with a CB tandem of Archie Gray and Yves Bissouma would just have things all sorted out. I mean, sure, let's play Liverpool with Dragusin and Gray and sit back and try to soak up pressure for 90 minutes. That sounds like a great idea. Can you realistically see any manager of status being in charge where we've got no CBs (for the second year in a row, no less!!) not suffering? It's preposterous.
Sure, maybe we could make some systematic changes, and maybe we only would've lost by a goal or two against Liverpool. But losing your top two CBs heading into the holidays for the second year in a row is devastating, and no club would be immune. This is the same club where Jose and Conte lost games in Europe, which were inexcusable losses, for basically the same reasons. Remember losing to a club while the manager was in jail!? Or when Conte lost 3-0 to a bunch of farmers? The reality is that our managers are working under a different constraint here.
This is like the scene in Wall-E where the ship's captain realizes that the issue wasn't the other captains but the autopilot all along.
Sure, maybe we could make some systematic changes, and maybe we only would've lost by a goal or two against Liverpool. But losing your top two CBs heading into the holidays for the second year in a row is devastating, and no club would be immune. This is the same club where Jose and Conte lost games in Europe, which were inexcusable losses, for basically the same reasons. Remember losing to a club while the manager was in jail!? Or when Conte lost 3-0 to a bunch of farmers? The reality is that our managers are working under a different constraint here.
This is like the scene in Wall-E where the ship's captain realizes that the issue wasn't the other captains but the autopilot all along.
And we’ve lost VdV again largely due to his ‘strategy’ destroying his hamstringI love all the guys saying, "We need a real manager!" Like any manager forced to end a game with a CB tandem of Archie Gray and Yves Bissouma would just have things all sorted out. I mean, sure, let's play Liverpool with Dragusin and Gray and sit back and try to soak up pressure for 90 minutes. That sounds like a great idea. Can you realistically see any manager of status being in charge where we've got no CBs (for the second year in a row, no less!!) not suffering? It's preposterous.
Sure, maybe we could make some systematic changes, and maybe we only would've lost by a goal or two against Liverpool. But losing your top two CBs heading into the holidays for the second year in a row is devastating, and no club would be immune. This is the same club where Jose and Conte lost games in Europe, which were inexcusable losses, for basically the same reasons. Remember losing to a club while the manager was in jail!? Or when Conte lost 3-0 to a bunch of farmers? The reality is that our managers are working under a different constraint here.
This is like the scene in Wall-E where the ship's captain realizes that the issue wasn't the other captains but the autopilot all along.
I do think that this is very worrisome, but at the same time, is that a managerial issue, an issue with the medical staff or just plain unlucky?
Love that metaphor tbhI love all the guys saying, "We need a real manager!" Like any manager forced to end a game with a CB tandem of Archie Gray and Yves Bissouma would just have things all sorted out. I mean, sure, let's play Liverpool with Dragusin and Gray and sit back and try to soak up pressure for 90 minutes. That sounds like a great idea. Can you realistically see any manager of status being in charge where we've got no CBs (for the second year in a row, no less!!) not suffering? It's preposterous.
Sure, maybe we could make some systematic changes, and maybe we only would've lost by a goal or two against Liverpool. But losing your top two CBs heading into the holidays for the second year in a row is devastating, and no club would be immune. This is the same club where Jose and Conte lost games in Europe, which were inexcusable losses, for basically the same reasons. Remember losing to a club while the manager was in jail!? Or when Conte lost 3-0 to a bunch of farmers? The reality is that our managers are working under a different constraint here.
This is like the scene in Wall-E where the ship's captain realizes that the issue wasn't the other captains but the autopilot all along.
what makes you think Ange's strategy caused VDV's hamstring issues?
Conte
P,56 W,32 D,9 L,15 F,112 A,64 Pts, 105
Ange
P,56 W,27 D,8 L,21 F113, A,87 Pts, 89
I'm sure this has been posted already, but this is pretty damning and shows he just not that good.
And this isn't a conte appreciation post either. But just a direct comparison to his predecessor.
P,56 W,32 D,9 L,15 F,112 A,64 Pts, 105
Ange
P,56 W,27 D,8 L,21 F113, A,87 Pts, 89
I'm sure this has been posted already, but this is pretty damning and shows he just not that good.
And this isn't a conte appreciation post either. But just a direct comparison to his predecessor.
Hi line defending. I feel it has been a significant factor. That and rushing him back
Why is the high-line defending causing our injury crisis?
The rushing back thing is pretty much 100% narrative driven. Both Romero and VDV returned AFTER their original prognosis and Romero's second injury was completely different.
I’m not sure I can see where the next win will come from. Wolves SHOULD be it. But honestly, I’m not confident.
We have been fucking dogshit before we lost our centre backs and our goalkeeper, why are people acting like we were on fucking fire before the injuries? We have been shit for 2 seasons barring a 10 game run.I love all the guys saying, "We need a real manager!" Like any manager forced to end a game with a CB tandem of Archie Gray and Yves Bissouma would just have things all sorted out. I mean, sure, let's play Liverpool with Dragusin and Gray and sit back and try to soak up pressure for 90 minutes. That sounds like a great idea. Can you realistically see any manager of status being in charge where we've got no CBs (for the second year in a row, no less!!) not suffering? It's preposterous.
Sure, maybe we could make some systematic changes, and maybe we only would've lost by a goal or two against Liverpool. But losing your top two CBs heading into the holidays for the second year in a row is devastating, and no club would be immune. This is the same club where Jose and Conte lost games in Europe, which were inexcusable losses, for basically the same reasons. Remember losing to a club while the manager was in jail!? Or when Conte lost 3-0 to a bunch of farmers? The reality is that our managers are working under a different constraint here.
This is like the scene in Wall-E where the ship's captain realizes that the issue wasn't the other captains but the autopilot all along.
Why are we just talking about Liverpool who are the best team in Europe right now.I love all the guys saying, "We need a real manager!" Like any manager forced to end a game with a CB tandem of Archie Gray and Yves Bissouma would just have things all sorted out. I mean, sure, let's play Liverpool with Dragusin and Gray and sit back and try to soak up pressure for 90 minutes. That sounds like a great idea. Can you realistically see any manager of status being in charge where we've got no CBs (for the second year in a row, no less!!) not suffering? It's preposterous.
Sure, maybe we could make some systematic changes, and maybe we only would've lost by a goal or two against Liverpool. But losing your top two CBs heading into the holidays for the second year in a row is devastating, and no club would be immune. This is the same club where Jose and Conte lost games in Europe, which were inexcusable losses, for basically the same reasons. Remember losing to a club while the manager was in jail!? Or when Conte lost 3-0 to a bunch of farmers? The reality is that our managers are working under a different constraint here.
This is like the scene in Wall-E where the ship's captain realizes that the issue wasn't the other captains but the autopilot all along.
If Ange didn't throw both our injured CB's in who both had what, one day training, both would likely be fit now.
Also you can still play a highish line and press well enough without throwing both your fullback's forward at every opportunity and also give them a bit of protection by having your midfield sit in a bit.
It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
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“Unless we get sucked into a relegation fight”
Which is where we are headed if *something* doesn’t change. It wasn’t really a criticism and I agree, around the Ispwich game should have been it.
Next to nobody is implying that a new manager would make us invincible. Close to everyone is in agreement that these owners have put a ceiling on what we can achieve. The question is, is that ceiling 11th whilst lets be honest being the laughing stock of the league? It isn't and we know it isn't.
Nobody's saying that either. There has to be a middle ground being sitting on the edge of your box for 90 minutes and the structureless mess that we have.
The big issue last Sunday was not the result. I didn't hear a Spurs fan expect anything other than a defeat against Liverpool. And there is a world where I think a lot of fans would be very forgiving, due to the fact that we had that as a centre back pairing.
The fact of the matter is, and the reason people were so irate.... is that we didn't concede 6 because of those centre backs.
Liverpool brought the best centre back in the world, with a good, experienced partner to our stadium. Not once were they left isolated against our whole attack, the way our centre backs were with theirs multiple times.
Our midfield is as easily bypassed as any in the league. We are on the end of more 3v2's or 4v3's in transition in one game than a good team should be in one month.
Now would Romero and VDV deal with those situations better? Yes. But there's a reason why Romero and VDV being back won't suddenly magic us into being a stable team.. Because we've had them available for most of 2024, and look at how our results over this year stack up.
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Basically everything that ever needs to be said in this thread, perfectly put into 2 paragraphs.
I looked at some other clubs, clubs that are usually appreciated by football fans with the way they operate. Here are the number of full-time managers they've each had in the last 20 years:
Dortmund: 11
Barcelona:10
Inter: 13
Each of these clubs had a fair share of "trigger happy" sackings of their own. None of Gasperini, Ranieri, Benitez, De Boer, Bosz, Koeman and Rose enjoyed much time or patience from their respective boards . None of them even made it to the aforementioned 18 month threshold. In fact, most didn't even get a full season. Inter sacked Gasperini after 5 matches, De Boer after 14 matches, and Ranieri after 35 matches. Dortmund sacked Bosz after 24 matches. The list goes on.
The picture is clear to me. We're not trigger happy at all, whatever that means. These clubs would have never tolerated what we have been tolerating since last November. Even though I still prefer him to an interim, if Ange indeed gets the sack soon, it won't be because Levy/board made a rash decision. Far from it.
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