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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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I love all the guys saying, "We need a real manager!" Like any manager forced to end a game with a CB tandem of Archie Gray and Yves Bissouma would just have things all sorted out. I mean, sure, let's play Liverpool with Dragusin and Gray and sit back and try to soak up pressure for 90 minutes. That sounds like a great idea. Can you realistically see any manager of status being in charge where we've got no CBs (for the second year in a row, no less!!) not suffering? It's preposterous.

Sure, maybe we could make some systematic changes, and maybe we only would've lost by a goal or two against Liverpool. But losing your top two CBs heading into the holidays for the second year in a row is devastating, and no club would be immune. This is the same club where Jose and Conte lost games in Europe, which were inexcusable losses, for basically the same reasons. Remember losing to a club while the manager was in jail!? Or when Conte lost 3-0 to a bunch of farmers? The reality is that our managers are working under a different constraint here.

This is like the scene in Wall-E where the ship's captain realizes that the issue wasn't the other captains but the autopilot all along.
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Totally overlooks the decisions and choices by current under qualified manager that put us in this position. Utter delusion.
 
I looked at some other clubs, clubs that are usually appreciated by football fans with the way they operate. Here are the number of full-time managers they've had in the last 20 years:

Dortmund: 11
Barcelona:10
Inter: 13

Each of these clubs had a fair share of "trigger happy" sackings of their own. None of Gasperini, Ranieri, Benitez, De Boer, Bosz, Koeman and Rose enjoyed much time or patience from their respective boards . None of them even made it to the aforementioned 18 month threshold. In fact, most didn't even get a full season. Inter sacked Gasperini after 5 matches, De Boer after 14 matches, and Ranieri after 35 matches. Dortmund sacked Bosz after 24 matches. The list goes on.

The picture is clear to me. We're not trigger happy at all, whatever that means. These clubs would have never tolerated what we have been tolerating since last November. Even though I still prefer him to an interim, if Ange indeed gets the sack soon, it won't be because Levy/board made a rash decision. Far from it.
No other club has gone with interim managers as much as we have. We have gone 71 games with interim managers. We have sacked the manager in September and not appointed his replacement until the following summer under Levy. No other club in the world would do this the only other club to go an extended period of time under an interim is United and the Glazers have run them terribly.
 
I love all the guys saying, "We need a real manager!" Like any manager forced to end a game with a CB tandem of Archie Gray and Yves Bissouma would just have things all sorted out. I mean, sure, let's play Liverpool with Dragusin and Gray and sit back and try to soak up pressure for 90 minutes. That sounds like a great idea. Can you realistically see any manager of status being in charge where we've got no CBs (for the second year in a row, no less!!) not suffering? It's preposterous.

Sure, maybe we could make some systematic changes, and maybe we only would've lost by a goal or two against Liverpool. But losing your top two CBs heading into the holidays for the second year in a row is devastating, and no club would be immune. This is the same club where Jose and Conte lost games in Europe, which were inexcusable losses, for basically the same reasons. Remember losing to a club while the manager was in jail!? Or when Conte lost 3-0 to a bunch of farmers? The reality is that our managers are working under a different constraint here.

This is like the scene in Wall-E where the ship's captain realizes that the issue wasn't the other captains but the autopilot all along.
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We're not scrabbling around the bottom half of the table because of Liverpool and Forest. We're down here because we've been poor since that miserable Chelsea game last season.

Our managers are constrained yes, by the standards of the big clubs fighting for the title. Our managers are not so constrained that we should look easily second best when we're up against the likes of Leicester, Palace, Ipswich, Fulham, Forest. Don't even get me started on the likes of fucking Rangers who played us off the park.
 
No other club has gone with interim managers as much as we have. We have gone 71 games with interim managers. We have sacked the manager in September and not appointed his replacement until the following summer under Levy. No other club in the world would do this the only other club to go an extended period of time under an interim is United and the Glazers have run them terribly.
A lot of other leagues have time limits for how long a interim manager can actually be interim. La Liga for example only allows an interim for like 3 games, then there needs to be a new permanent manager in.'

These rules do not exist in the Premier League. So there's no surprise really that you find longer interim runs in England.
 
The injury situation or some invisible Antipodean force is saving Postecoglou, although I am unsure any team (look at City) could cope in such circumstances

Quite how or why we have picked up so many injuries is something that is surely under analysis.

The worst thing about us, fit squad or not, is the ease at which we concede. No defence in any which way you choose to apply the term.
 
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That went right over my head. :) There is a lot of how managers and players move around in football that is down to agencies and business relationships. Just now you've got a front office and manager with ties to City Group. It's one more reason Postecoglou isn't going anywhere. Two things will save him. First, he was in the media and did motivational speaking in Australia and he's good at selling himself and his system. He put a lot of effort up front into telling fans what they wanted to hear and creating an image. That reserve of good will is still working for him. But the second thing is the people in the front office who should be overseeing his work and evaluating him are often from the same network of connections. I think he is as close to "fire proof" as any Spurs manager has ever been.
Ange won't get a job for a top half PL side after he's left spurs.
He'll disappear to some random league next. Maybe he'll give the New Zealand National League a go. Incepted in 2021 so no history or pressure.
 
Correct
We're not scrabbling around the bottom half of the table because of Liverpool and Forest. We're down here because we've been poor since that miserable Chelsea game last season.

Our managers are constrained yes, by the standards of the big clubs fighting for the title. Our managers are not so constrained that we should look easily second best when we're up against the likes of Leicester, Palace, Ipswich, Fulham, Forest. Don't even get me started on the likes of fucking Rangers who played us off the park.

Correct, although Forest should not be such an unfavourable comparator, even allowing for their splendid season thus far.
 
what.? worst?
Our $quad value is top-5 in the EPL.
Plus we got rid of 7 non-angeballers like Schipp, Hojberg, Royale, Dier etc

WE should be playing better Ange-ball (Plan-A) by now.
Value doesn’t always mean quality . There’s several factors including motivation , fight & ambition . We’ve seen players like Tanguy who’s value was way off his usefulness

I’m not saying someone else won’t get a better tune out of the squad but I’d argue that several clubs below our value have more about them than ours due to our deep rooted issues
 
A lot of other leagues have time limits for how long a interim manager can actually be interim. La Liga for example only allows an interim for like 3 games, then there needs to be a new permanent manager in.'

These rules do not exist in the Premier League. So there's no surprise really that you find longer interim runs in England.
Still Means on two extended situations we threw away the season because we had extended periods where interims managed us. So when we pull the trigger on Ange we better have the replacement lined up. I saw an interview with Paul Barber where they always have a list of at least 5 replacements for their manager if they have to replace him for some reason. It is called contingency planning and we do not seem to believe in it at all.
 
Which big club would want Impostercoglou? Mourinho and Conte wasn't good enough for the fans despite being proven. Conte is still performing. But a lot of fans seem to prefer Ange.

Even Neil Lennon won the Scottish league with Celtic. Do you think he would be a good signing because of that? Even Brendan Rodgers would be better than Ange. Not the manager i'd want but at least he's actually accomplished something at the highest level. Ange only ever performed for 10 games, and that with a team he inherited and still remembered the Conte way to play.
 
The injury situation or some invisible Antipodean force is saving Postecoglou, although I am unsure any team (look at City) could cope in such circumstances

Quite how or why we have picked up so many injuries is something that is surely under analysis.

The worst thing about us, fit squad or not, is the ease at which we concede. No defence in any which way you choose to apply the term.
Look he was rushing Davies back and now we won’t see him until probably after Jan. Rushed Van der Ven back and he was only meant to play a half of football.. We probably won’t see him until Feb.
 
And we’ve lost VdV again largely due to his ‘strategy’ destroying his hamstring
Was Ange and his high line to blame for destroying Micky's hamstrings before he came to spurs? He was out with a hamstring injury for 3 months the season before he came to spurs. Did Wolfsburg play a 'crazy' highline too?

I'm not a physio but could it be that him being 6ft 4 and the quickest player in the league makes him more susceptible to hamstring injuries?
 
I looked at some other clubs, clubs that are usually appreciated by football fans with the way they operate. Here are the number of full-time managers they've each had in the last 20 years:

Dortmund: 11
Barcelona:10
Inter: 13

Each of these clubs had a fair share of "trigger happy" sackings of their own. None of Gasperini, Ranieri, Benitez, De Boer, Bosz, Koeman and Rose enjoyed much time or patience from their respective boards . None of them even made it to the aforementioned 18 month threshold. In fact, most didn't even get a full season. Inter sacked Gasperini after 5 matches, De Boer after 14 matches, and Ranieri after 35 matches. Dortmund sacked Bosz after 24 matches. The list goes on.

The picture is clear to me. We're not trigger happy at all, whatever that means. These clubs would have never tolerated what we have been tolerating since last November. Even though I still prefer him to an interim, if Ange indeed gets the sack soon, it won't be because Levy/board made a rash decision. Far from it.
People need to wake up to the reality that football managers are generally short term.

And that's fine.
You'll get some outliers, Pep, Klopp, Poch at Spurs (who hasn't had that long in a job before or since)
But generally speaking coaches don't last 2 full seasons that often before they get sacked or poached.

It's easier and cheaper to change a coach than buy the coach an entire squad when you don't really know how well he'll do anyway.

And I'd say the majority of coaches around the world are fucking frauds.
As a % of coaches in professional football, I would be surprised if it's in double digits that actually know what they're doing.
 
Amazed Levy has not pulled the pin on Anges time here yet, usually quick enough to get rid and despite injuries it's clear his tactics have been figured out.
My guess (read my hope) is that he wants to have the successor agreed before he pulls the trigger. So we don't have to sit through another round with a interim.

There's been buzz today about Edin Terzic (formerly of Dortmund) negotiating with us.
 
My guess (read my hope) is that he wants to have the successor agreed before he pulls the trigger. So we don't have to sit through another round with a interim.

There's been buzz today about Edin Terzic (formerly of Dortmund) negotiating with us.
Be surprised if negotiations have not been going on for weeks and if not would anyone be surprised with the Mason until end of season scenario again, let's face it the way the club is being run nothing would surprise you.
 
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