Our attackers would look even worse without such a gung ho manager. I dread to imagine what that would look like.
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Transfers January Transfer Thread 24/25
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Well yes of course we do need a better more consistent DM but that is hard to get. You only have to look at the huge issues City have had since Rodri got injured to see the effects of that position. Attack as the form of defence isn’t new though, Liverpool under Klopp with Mane, Ferminho and Salah and with Henderson and Fabinho in behind perfected it, your not going to get any of that with an ageing Son and Johnson, they can’t do it and Bissouma isn’t the tactically smart guy to run the 6. I won’t deny it does require very high level players and players with the right blend of skills but as a club we should be able to acquire those players. Even if Ange goes I doubt we will be moving away from this high press hard attack style of football so at some point we have to get the players to make it work. Ange isn’t even playing that different from Klopp, main difference is the full backs invert and the wingers stay wide where as with Klopp it was the opposite But other than that the principles are basically the same and our next manager will probably be some variant on that so one way or another we have to get used to it generally speaking.
Seems Villa and Juve interested in him too. Open race as Romano would say.
I'm just over it, honestly. It's always the attackers fault, we're always another 1 or 2 £80M+ attackers away from putting it together. This is really just because supporters like shiny new toys and nothing is as exciting as expensive forwards.
If our attackers were better, we'd still be shit. When you concede 60+ goals, the 1st group questioned should be the defender - not conceding goals is their primary objective. The 2nd group in question should be the midfielders - not conceding goals is 1/2 of their brief.
The last group in question should be the attackers. 100%, defending from the front is a valid concept. But the idea is that if you defend from the front, 30% of opposing attacks are killed in the cradle - that leaves fewer attacks for the midfield and defence to contend with. The idea isn't that your attackers should be so good at pressing your midfield and defenders can completely neglect their defensive responsibilities - which is what is happening.
Why is our entire back line out with lower body injuries? Because they're consistently and habitually scrambling to try and cover complete lapses of defensive organization and communication.
I'd be happy to have better forwards than what's left of Son and Johnson. But we could spend £200M on forwards and we're not going to win a thing without fixing the tactics and improving the midfield.
The links weve had are all underwhelming players with minimal experience and pedigree. Just young players to take a punt on as usual.
Villa have Duran and Watkins.
Duran probably worth more than RKM in his own right now. Plus they just used their FFP room to get Malen.
Juve I have no idea but we can afford his wages and a buyout fee they won’t compete with
You rated Zirkzee, sit this one out
Fair play to the lad they took a punt on him when he was out of form with atletico wish more players showed that loyalty
Interesting.
Looks like a delay tactic to guarantee he stays till the summer and he will be off.
Do clubs wait for him or get what they need now?
Either way it gets full money for wolves fair play not like sol Campbell anyway
Oh for sure and that makes me respect him more.
Would’ve been much easier for Him to get out in January and not stick around for their relegation battle
Agree- our play style is crazy, and likely leads to more sprints without the ball per player per 90 than any other team. I wonder what the numbers would look like.
The thing is, you want your defense and midfielders to do something- having the front three press all the time and then also be expected to lead dynamic attacks is a recipe for surefire exhaustion. You need all players to contribute towards running and pressing.
The whole game under Ange seems sped up and compacted beyond what is comfortable. We have attacker exhausting themselves running all the time and defenders constantly making goal-saving sprints. These peak fitness moments and lack of rotation have to be having a negative effect on player fitness- we can't seriously be expecting them to outperform the league average in km run on a regular basis, can we?
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From October but shows were top of the sprint race followed closely by Liverpool.
Agree. The Cartilage Captain article I recently posted points out that with Poch, Klopp, etc. there are designated triggers to pressing.
Such as when the ball is played to the FB near the touchline - obviously having the boundary to use as an extra defender greatly advantages the pressing team.
But with Ange, it just seems to be whenever we're out of possession - press, press, press. The calamity of this systemless philosophy is accerbated by the fact there's seemingly similarly no tactics on which defenders push into attack and who then drops back to cover, it's just push, push, push. So when we turn the ball over, there's no shape to recover into and the only instruction is press, press, press. Eventually the opposition picks a good pass in this situation and that's all it takes.
The naive tactics can work when you have a squad twice as good, twice as deep (and four times as expensive) like at Celtic. And it can work in leagues like Australia and Japan (and maybe the MLS) where the tactical and technical ability is so low, you can just out physical ability your opponents. But they cannot work in a league such as the PL.
You cannot be physically superior enough to your opponents - everyone in the PL is a pretty damned good, well trained athlete. And your opponents are too smart and well prepared by some of the best managers and coaches in the sport to let the obvious holes in your play to go unseen.
Occasionally enough will go right fast enough that you'll swarm a team, like the City result. But more often than not opponents will just let you wear yourself out and play searching balls into your gaps, and strike when opportunity presents itself.
Vicario
Porro - Romero - VDV - LB
Bergvall - Bissouma - Madison
RW - Solanke - LW
Above is how we should be our first x11 next year, in my opinion. Think bergvall is going to make the 8 his spot with Gray rotating there.
Since this season is shot, we should be looking toward next season instead of optimizing for injuries right now. We need atleast 2 new wingers, brining in RKM on a loan/buy, makes sense and we can see if we want him. Think we need to find a new LB this January too
Porro - Romero - VDV - LB
Bergvall - Bissouma - Madison
RW - Solanke - LW
Above is how we should be our first x11 next year, in my opinion. Think bergvall is going to make the 8 his spot with Gray rotating there.
Since this season is shot, we should be looking toward next season instead of optimizing for injuries right now. We need atleast 2 new wingers, brining in RKM on a loan/buy, makes sense and we can see if we want him. Think we need to find a new LB this January too
No. We need a proper DM more than we need wingers.