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Has VAR Ruined Football?


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I would have to go and read the language in the laws but I am pretty sure there’s an exception for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Let’s say a defender is on the 6 yard box and the handball stops a certain goal…

But I’m really not sure.

But to defend crosses or in general play, absolutely 100% no need.
...says the man who told me to go and read the rules, only yesterday - and helpfully even provided me with a link...

 
But you've been pontificating on the laws for some time now and have just revealed that you're not sure about them. How can we ever trust you again?
There are parts of the laws I know about and there are parts I am not completely sure on. I don’t claim certainty where I am not certain.

Is this supposed to be a gotcha?
 
There are parts of the laws I know about and there are parts I am not completely sure on. I don’t claim certainty where I am not certain.

Is this supposed to be a gotcha?
Absolutely not. I would never attempt such a thing with someone as knowledgeable as you. That would be foolish.
 
In previous years, the handball laws were more punitive (see Moura and Dier situations) and you could hit the ball against someone’s hand from close range and win a penalty.

The rules have been improved (in my opinion) and non-deliberate handballs in a natural position are no longer an offence.
If your team gain any kind of advantage from a handball, arms in a natural position or a so called unnatural position, it's still handball first and foremost.

Call it out for what it is.

The current rules / laws are ambiguous, inconsistently administered and it's cheating.

The Newcastle equaliser at the weekend should have been disallowed and it was an obvious injustice to allow it.
 
If your team gain any kind of advantage from a handball, arms in a natural position or a so called unnatural position, it's still handball first and foremost.

Call it out for what it is.

The current rules / laws are ambiguous, inconsistently administered and it's cheating.

The Newcastle equaliser at the weekend should have been disallowed and it was an obvious injustice to allow it.
The rule has always been inconsistently applied.

The only time they tried to crack down on it and enforce a level standard a couple of years ago resulted in Man U and Liverpool intentionally shooting the ball at arms and elbows ad nauseum. Half the time you could see Salah and Bruno Fernandes not even looking at the goal, but scanning for arms.
 
It is not normally given this season. It’s a good thing too. Too many ridiculous handballs given in seasons past.

After Moura and Dier, I’d have thought we’d be the first to be on boards with that.
We'll see, the setting up a goal / leading to a goal is a red herring. That hand ball stopping a breakaway in the middle of the park will be given regularly.
 
So I have too much time while I am nursing my flu and I feel Solanke's goals should definitely have stood. But as soon as I saw Tierny's face last night at the VAR I knew he was trying fucking hard to invalidate the goal. See his hand gesture and the facial expression of the assistant official looking like he's doubting the decision a bit:



But worse was the inaccurate ruling from the lines. The pixelation itself was a benefit of the doubt. It's atrocious in terms of video quality for a VAR standard. But we can still see the field lines segmentations. It wouldn't be defined, so the drawing of the lines wouldn't and shouldn't be as well. Actually it doesn't even take drawing of lines to already see Solanke was onside.



So as seen here with what I have done in Photoshop, the blue line is what the demarcation of the segments on the field. Parallel to the blue line was the green line drawn right up to the toe of the Liverpool defender. See how Solanke was soooo onside. ONLY Werner was offside there.



It has to take a parallax error drawn as shown in red line in order to show Solanke was offside. AND THAT'S WHAT VAR DID. WE can sort of see the lines joined at the far side and became separated at the nearside. RIDICULOUS. And the drawing of the lines down from the shoulders was just hazarding a guess all along, I AM DAMN SURE. They are not be able to tell from there.



It's a terrible standard of officiating. Any Photoshop user can do a better job than those useless refs. Parallel lines don't meet, and that angle wasn't even converging to have the lines so close as the far side.
 
So I have too much time while I am nursing my flu and I feel Solanke's goals should definitely have stood. But as soon as I saw Tierny's face last night at the VAR I knew he was trying fucking hard to invalidate the goal. See his hand gesture and the facial expression of the assistant official looking like he's doubting the decision a bit:



But worse was the inaccurate ruling from the lines. The pixelation itself was a benefit of the doubt. It's atrocious in terms of video quality for a VAR standard. But we can still see the field lines segmentations. It wouldn't be defined, so the drawing of the lines wouldn't and shouldn't be as well. Actually it doesn't even take drawing of lines to already see Solanke was onside.



So as seen here with what I have done in Photoshop, the blue line is what the demarcation of the segments on the field. Parallel to the blue line was the green line drawn right up to the toe of the Liverpool defender. See how Solanke was soooo onside. ONLY Werner was offside there.



It has to take a parallax error drawn as shown in red line in order to show Solanke was offside. AND THAT'S WHAT VAR DID. WE can sort of see the lines joined at the far side and became separated at the nearside. RIDICULOUS. And the drawing of the lines down from the shoulders was just hazarding a guess all along, I AM DAMN SURE. They are not be able to tell from there.



It's a terrible standard of officiating. Any Photoshop user can do a better job than those useless refs. Parallel lines don't meet, and that angle wasn't even converging to have the lines so close as the far side.
Good work. I was 50/50 but the angle and actual clarity of picture they were was shocking
 
So I have too much time while I am nursing my flu and I feel Solanke's goals should definitely have stood. But as soon as I saw Tierny's face last night at the VAR I knew he was trying fucking hard to invalidate the goal. See his hand gesture and the facial expression of the assistant official looking like he's doubting the decision a bit:



But worse was the inaccurate ruling from the lines. The pixelation itself was a benefit of the doubt. It's atrocious in terms of video quality for a VAR standard. But we can still see the field lines segmentations. It wouldn't be defined, so the drawing of the lines wouldn't and shouldn't be as well. Actually it doesn't even take drawing of lines to already see Solanke was onside.



So as seen here with what I have done in Photoshop, the blue line is what the demarcation of the segments on the field. Parallel to the blue line was the green line drawn right up to the toe of the Liverpool defender. See how Solanke was soooo onside. ONLY Werner was offside there.



It has to take a parallax error drawn as shown in red line in order to show Solanke was offside. AND THAT'S WHAT VAR DID. WE can sort of see the lines joined at the far side and became separated at the nearside. RIDICULOUS. And the drawing of the lines down from the shoulders was just hazarding a guess all along, I AM DAMN SURE. They are not be able to tell from there.



It's a terrible standard of officiating. Any Photoshop user can do a better job than those useless refs. Parallel lines don't meet, and that angle wasn't even converging to have the lines so close as the far side.
Obligotary VAR is shit and should be killed with fire.

They don't draw the lines.


When the broadcaster wants to draw an offside line, an operator will find the exact frame when the ball is kicked and then click on the last defender. The computer system then draws a line automatically from that player, taking into account the camera perspective and all the other information it has picked up from the 3D model to make sure the line it draws is parallel to the goal line.


The only human input comes with deciding exactly when the ball is kicked, and who the last defender is. In short, it's not like some producer in a van outside the ground is drawing a line by hand.
 
That’s largely correct.

I would have to go and read the language in the laws but I am pretty sure there’s an exception for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Let’s say a defender is on the 6 yard box and the handball stops a certain goal…

But I’m really not sure.

But to defend crosses or in general play, absolutely 100% no need.
Theres literally a peno given every couple of weeks for the ball accidently bouncing off a players hand
 
Theres literally a peno given every couple of weeks for the ball accidently bouncing off a players hand
There have been 4 penalties in the Premier League for handball all season.
All of them where the arm is outstretched, like the one against Man Utd
Even this weekend there was another goal scored with ball hitting hand in the build up (Palace v Chelsea) correctly awarded
 
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So I have too much time while I am nursing my flu and I feel Solanke's goals should definitely have stood. But as soon as I saw Tierny's face last night at the VAR I knew he was trying fucking hard to invalidate the goal. See his hand gesture and the facial expression of the assistant official looking like he's doubting the decision a bit:



But worse was the inaccurate ruling from the lines. The pixelation itself was a benefit of the doubt. It's atrocious in terms of video quality for a VAR standard. But we can still see the field lines segmentations. It wouldn't be defined, so the drawing of the lines wouldn't and shouldn't be as well. Actually it doesn't even take drawing of lines to already see Solanke was onside.



So as seen here with what I have done in Photoshop, the blue line is what the demarcation of the segments on the field. Parallel to the blue line was the green line drawn right up to the toe of the Liverpool defender. See how Solanke was soooo onside. ONLY Werner was offside there.



It has to take a parallax error drawn as shown in red line in order to show Solanke was offside. AND THAT'S WHAT VAR DID. WE can sort of see the lines joined at the far side and became separated at the nearside. RIDICULOUS. And the drawing of the lines down from the shoulders was just hazarding a guess all along, I AM DAMN SURE. They are not be able to tell from there.



It's a terrible standard of officiating. Any Photoshop user can do a better job than those useless refs. Parallel lines don't meet, and that angle wasn't even converging to have the lines so close as the far side.
Except that it is Solanke's shoulder that is his furthest part forward, as can be seen from the actual VAR decision, and you are not judging based on that.
 
I would have to go and read the language in the laws but I am pretty sure there’s an exception for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity.
Let’s say a defender is on the 6 yard box and the handball stops a certain goal…
But I’m really not sure.
But to defend crosses or in general play, absolutely 100% no need.
No exception

if the defender is on the 6 yard box and stops a likely goal by ball hitting his arm/hand where it is in expected natural position for his movement, without any intent, no penalty.
Where it is outside natural position and stops goal, but unintentional , would be penalty and yellow card
Where on rare occasion player intentionally stops the ball with hand, dives for example to stop a goal, would be penalty and red card.
 
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Except that it is Solanke's shoulder that is his furthest part forward, as can be seen from the actual VAR decision, and you are not judging based on that.
Unless there is a chip implanted on every's players' shoulders, there is no way the image can tell who is ahead of who in that tight frame. If they drew it with some non-human calculations, they have to reveal the coordinates. Everything is so inconclusive they just seem to guess along the way, yet they are not giving the benefit of doubt.
 
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