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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
They might look knackered to you, but we pay a team of coaches, physios and sports scientists to maintain them at optimum levels. The same as every other top club. Our players workload is no different to any of those.

The whole tiredness thing is a lame excuse to justify failure. It doesn’t exist at a winning club because it’s not allowed to.

You watch how we play and it's not at all surprising players all look dead on their feet.
There's always players running 40, 50, 60 yards trying to "press" the opposition.
I'm pretty sure if you looked it up, we'd be near the top for KM run and number of sprints. And until probably November, hardly any rotation.
 
I understand the average 'workday' for a footballer is about four hours - training around 8am-12pm including recovery, physio etc., and then the afternoon off. Some are super into the gym, others aren't, as you would expect. The games come thick and fast though.

I can understand the stresses and strains from intensity in games - which is why training needs to be at the right level, of course - but I don't see how fit young guys in excellent health complain about being knackered, it seems odd to me. Mind you we do seem to get A LOT of injuries in training, too many to just be a coincidence...
They are in longer nowadays mate but not everyday. Some days its optional to stay on but some days they do different programmes in the afternoon specific to what the individual need. They also do more community work nowadays.

They have everything at Tottenham for injury prevention and recovery that I find it mind boggling that we have so many muscle injuries.

I’ve mentioned this before,maybe there’s something in being too finely tuned and any wrong movement leads to a muscle strain.

I have my thoughts on this. I played for a long time on shit training pitches and poor pitches especially in the months from November to April and the pitches were all uneven and was never injured. Maybe because of the different movements on different surfaces you were stronger and your body adapted better to those types of surfaces.

I see so many players pulling hamstrings ,thighs ,calves nowadays and it wasn’t as bad as that back in the day. I do get that players are naturally quicker now which probably has a lot to do with it to. Who knows🤷‍♂️
 
So the drop in form of players like Udogie, and Porro is purely down to Ange? Fatigue doesn’t play a single part in it? Or are both just shit players?
Their workload, fatigue levels and physical state is totally down to Ange and his staff plus the clubs medical and sporting structure. That’s their job.

Both of those players you mentioned were being raved about on this board a short while ago and it’s unlikely they’ve suddenly become truly shit players. More likely is poor coaching and management of them has led to deterioration in form.
 
When did I underestimate injuries?

I said that for once it’s easy to see how some players may be fed up with his training. Guys who are playing 100minutes twice per week, week in week out, might be fed up with doing high intensity training in between.
They won’t be doing high intensity training when they play Sunday Thursday Sunday. Anybody who thinks that does not have a clue how it works.
 
And you’re underestimating the impact of injuries and overestimating Ange’s input on the knackeredness.
Seriously though 2 games a week! In my amateur days I played of a weekend, had a weekday work comp and then a Thursday night indoor comp. Plus a fuck around most nights. And I was generally stoned too.
It’s almost as if you were an average dosser having a kick about as opposed to an elite athlete pushing your body to the limit every single moment of the game.
 
Salah is fucking 32/33 and playing twice a week and his performances haven’t dropped off and I doubt Slot doesn’t train them hard.

And that cunt has contract issues.

If true it’s a recurring issue with us. Conte said it best. Too comfortable. Players have too much power. In any other job you can’t influence the management of the organisation or refuse to do your job.
Salah is not made to chase the way our players are. Slot is smart enough to understand that a world class finisher at 32/33 should not be made to chase younger guys around the pitch like a dog.

If Ange had the same kind of insight, our players would actually be able to do what they do best, and they would still have energy left. Now they're absolutely dead tired. They would need a summer break now. We're going to get even more injury problems towards the end of the season. This is definitely not due to randomness but a direct effect of Ange's way of managing.
 
They are in longer nowadays mate but not everyday. Some days its optional to stay on but some days they do different programmes in the afternoon specific to what the individual need. They also do more community work nowadays.

They have everything at Tottenham for injury prevention and recovery that I find it mind boggling that we have so many muscle injuries.

I’ve mentioned this before,maybe there’s something in being too finely tuned and any wrong movement leads to a muscle strain.

I have my thoughts on this. I played for a long time on shit training pitches and poor pitches especially in the months from November to April and the pitches were all uneven and was never injured. Maybe because of the different movements on different surfaces you were stronger and your body adapted better to those types of surfaces.

I see so many players pulling hamstrings ,thighs ,calves nowadays and it wasn’t as bad as that back in the day. I do get that players are naturally quicker now which probably has a lot to do with it to. Who knows🤷‍♂️
Thanks for the insight. My feeling - perhaps not a great analogy! - is the modern players are like racehorses, very finely tuned and vulnerable to injury, illness, etc., due to the high performance and so on.
 
And you’re underestimating the impact of injuries and overestimating Ange’s input on the knackeredness.
Seriously though 2 games a week! In my amateur days I played of a weekend, had a weekday work comp and then a Thursday night indoor comp. Plus a fuck around most nights. And I was generally stoned too.
Great, were you playing against stoned amateurs or top level elite athletes who had been rotated more often?

It's not about how tired they are in general. If you put them up against me they'd look fresh as daisies. They're not up against me, they're up against fellow elite athletes, and against them they look fucked.

I'm not claiming it's Ange's training or his style. I'm not claiming that they shouldn't look so tired, but they do. They look fucked. Deki isn't a quick player on a good day but recently he's looked like he is running through treacle. Porro too. It is no coincidence that these are the two players least likely to be rotated. Porro especially. Reggie and Spence could have played more minutes in the early part of the season to help out Udogie and Porro. Yeah I know Ange doesn't particularly like or want either player, but he has them. They are what are at his disposal, and there's no point huffing about it. Conte was a dick for his treatment of Spence and it is no better from Ange. Is it any coioncidence that we raved about Udogie last season and before but then before he went down injured people on here were calling him shite? Now Porro.
 
Are you believing her because she's blonde and looks fairly decent in that thumbnail?
You'd probably enjoy her videos.
She's a man united fan but does videos on most teams and puts a lot of effort in.
She's been very much an EvAngelist and I think she still is.
I mean, she's wrong about him, which is why you'd probably like her. But it helps with the ol' confirmation bias.
 
I'd love someone to just respond with that when he wheels out the usual injury excuses
well then that would be the players fault, just like when he said subs were not relevant because the starting 11 didn't get to the levels he wants or some shit.

him blaming the players tells me that he knows they are not playing for him. hes fucking right, they gave up a long time ago. yet this absolute moron levy cant see it, even though the caveman is blatantly telling everyone himself lol.
 
Are you believing her because she's blonde and looks fairly decent in that thumbnail?
Decent? She looks like Gareth Keenan from the Office.
ivan rakitic GIF
 
The City team were all looking dead on their feet through November and December. They had a lot of players injured and the ones that were playing were a mix of over used and too old (sometimes both)

They sorted it out by buying their way out of it and having some players come back.
Their injuries weren't all hamstrings and they also don't look totally uncoached. So that's where the similarities end.
 
Thanks for the insight. My feeling - perhaps not a great analogy! - is the modern players are like racehorses, very finely tuned and vulnerable to injury, illness, etc., due to the high performance and so on.
I agree and add in an element of softness and the only reason I say softness is because they bring it on themselves. It destroys me and everything I think is wrong with the game. Every player shows weakness now by staying down and rolling about showing your opponent that they’ve got the better of you or hurt you. Back in the day you made sure you got up as quick as you could even if it was a sore one and bided your time for some payback.
I don’t know if you saw it in the Gazza thread where he mauls Garry Parker in the cup final and Parker is hurt but he gets up and shows that inner strength I don’t see in any player in world football now. And Parker wasn’t your typical 80s hard man but not even the hint of a moan but up and on with it.
 
You'd probably enjoy her videos.
She's a man united fan but does videos on most teams and puts a lot of effort in.
She's been very much an EvAngelist and I think she still is.
I mean, she's wrong about him, which is why you'd probably like her. But it helps with the ol' confirmation bias.
I've watched Alice's videos a few times. She is one of the more bearable Utd fans, and I often hear her compliment the younger players we have.
 
The City team were all looking dead on their feet through November and December. They had a lot of players injured and the ones that were playing were a mix of over used and too old (sometimes both)

They sorted it out by buying their way out of it and having some players come back.
Their injuries weren't all hamstrings and they also don't look totally uncoached. So that's where the similarities end.
watched some of the ipswich game, the difference KDB makes for them is a joke. its amazing what that one special midfielder can do, as long as the rest are competent footballers. his use of the ball is pretty much immaculate, he punishes teams with his I.Q and technique.
 
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