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JimothyCF14 said:
Nah sorry. Even if the club isn't leaking this, though it's not that fanciful, the fact is our lack of activity is fucking shocking and I'm done defending ENIC.

I was very much understanding of ENICs approach ntil recently. I haven't always been staunchly ENIC out, I'm not blinded by hatred of Levy - to be honest I think a lot of the off field work has been top notch. I love the stadium, I think it's great he's got the NFL and concerts and go karts. Because at the end of the day what he's done is made us one of the richest clubs in the world.

BUT and here is the but - none of it has actually done anything for what we're all here for: the actual football. The team and manager that got us to the CL final in 2019 was put together without any of these vast riches. We moved in in 2019 and it's been bumpy at best verging on disasterous since then. We make all this money? So what? We still refuse to match fees or wages when it comes to Woolwich, or Chavs, or United, or Liverpool. In fact we don't even refuse to match, we pay much much less. It's not even close. When Sonny retires or leaves and Werner goes home our wage bill will be bumbling around that of Everton, and all for the bargain price of the most expensive tickets in the country.

It's not Poch who should have left in 2019 it's ENIC. They would have gone out with the club on the cusp of greatness and they'd be remembered in a favourable way by most. Now they're just dragging us down.

What that story up there says is true. We can afford to compete, but now it's hard to compete so we won't. We should be competing with Woolwich for players. We're not. There's no defence of ENIC on this.
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The point is the article is being twisted by an aggregator account to make it appear as if it is fact rather than something putting 2 and 2 together.

Who did Woolwich buy in the summer? Jesus has been injured on and off for AGES and Saka has no backup and hasn't for years... though that is why they bought Sterling and they also have youth players who are being integrated into the squad.

Their needing cover in those positions is not some new phenomenon at all - and who, exactly are we competing with them for? We bought a striker last year - they didn't? They are spending huge amounts of money, granted but they are going backwards It's actually funny watching it happen and them not being able to compete with the teams around them for actually good players. It just goes to show that you can throw huge sums at above-average players and make yourself look good but still be nowhere close to winning a thing. Mikel Merino on 130k a week..... Havertz on 280k..... Lol, I'm meant to be jealous of that business model?

And Liverpool - go and actually look at the players they have signed in recent years and the wages they are paid - we can and have matched 95% of them - Diaz, Gravenberch, Endo, MacAllister etc etc - all on less than Maddison and Romero.....

Take out Salah's 350k a week and their wage bill is the same as us. When he and Trent leave at the end of the season, they are not like for like replacing that 27M a year on two players..... it 100% is not their business model as can be seen by every signing they make.

Chelsea and United, fair - but the point remains the same. Sam has no idea, he wasn't actually saying anything specific about spurs, if you actually read it, more about how football works - when other teams need players in the position you are looking for, it makes the market harder - especially in January when no good players are actually available....
 
Boltonspur said:
Got to hand it to people. 14000 in a queue, to part with the best part of £100, to watch us at the moment.
It’s masochism at its highest.
Like going to watch a freak show out of morbid curiosity. Although the reduced price membership makes it accessible to a lot more away fans than their official allocation allows.
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Said in another thread earlier. Put mine on the exchange last night and they took 16 minutes to sell. Demand doesn’t seem to be reflective of shitness. Mind you it’s probably someone who isn’t even a fan of either club who has bought them, just a day tripper.
 
dudu said:
The point is the article is being twisted by an aggregator account to make it appear as if it is fact rather than something putting 2 and 2 together.

Who did Woolwich buy in the summer? Jesus has been injured on and off for AGES and Saka has no backup and hasn't for years... though that is why they bought Sterling and they also have youth players who are being integrated into the squad.

Their needing cover in those positions is not some new phenomenon at all - and who, exactly are we competing with them for? We bought a striker last year - they didn't? They are spending huge amounts of money, granted but they are going backwards It's actually funny watching it happen and them not being able to compete with the teams around them for actually good players. It just goes to show that you can throw huge sums at above-average players and make yourself look good but still be nowhere close to winning a thing. Mikel Merino on 130k a week..... Havertz on 280k..... Lol, I'm meant to be jealous of that business model?

And Liverpool - go and actually look at the players they have signed in recent years and the wages they are paid - we can and have matched 95% of them - Diaz, Gravenberch, Endo, MacAllister etc etc - all on less than Maddison and Romero.....

Take out Salah's 350k a week and their wage bill is the same as us. When he and Trent leave at the end of the season, they are not like for like replacing that 27M a year on two players..... it 100% is not their business model as can be seen by every signing they make.

Chelsea and United, fair - but the point remains the same. Sam has no idea, he wasn't actually saying anything specific about spurs, if you actually read it, more about how football works - when other teams need players in the position you are looking for, it makes the market harder - especially in January when no good players are actually available....
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Liverpool have 12 players on north of £100k, Woolwich have 18 enough to field a full team and a bench. We have five.

They buy a lot of quality, whereas we buy some quality then pad out with promising youngsters and dross. There is absolutely no comparison in our transfer behaviour.We are not competing with Woolwich or Liverpool on any level. Once they start calling around players because they suddenly need someone to come in they just put us on hold and hope we go away.

And as for jealousy of "business models"? All I know is Liverpool and Woolwich are in a title race - Woolwich for the third year in a row. Yeah it's great we can laugh when they fall short again, and they will, but we're laughing from 15th in the league. We're in a hole and our glorious overlords are doing nothing about it. This shouldn't be tolerated. We have the income. We do not have the ambition.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
Liverpool have 12 players on north of £100k, Woolwich have 18 enough to field a full team and a bench. We have five.

They buy a lot of quality, whereas we buy some quality then pad out with promising youngsters and dross. There is absolutely no comparison in our transfer behaviour.We are not competing with Woolwich or Liverpool on any level. Once they start calling around players because they suddenly need someone to come in they just put us on hold and hope we go away.

And as for jealousy of "business models"? All I know is Liverpool and Woolwich are in a title race - Woolwich for the third year in a row. Yeah it's great we can laugh when they fall short again, and they will, but we're laughing from 15th in the league. We're in a hole and our glorious overlords are doing nothing about it. This shouldn't be tolerated. We have the income. We do not have the ambition.
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How many over 100K did we have say five years ago? Maybe 10?

Actually amazing they’ve taken such a hatchet job to wages
 
JimothyCF14 said:
Liverpool have 12 players on north of £100k, Woolwich have 18 enough to field a full team and a bench. We have five.

They buy a lot of quality, whereas we buy some quality then pad out with promising youngsters and dross. There is absolutely no comparison in our transfer behaviour.We are not competing with Woolwich or Liverpool on any level. Once they start calling around players because they suddenly need someone to come in they just put us on hold and hope we go away.

And as for jealousy of "business models"? All I know is Liverpool and Woolwich are in a title race - Woolwich for the third year in a row. Yeah it's great we can laugh when they fall short again, and they will, but we're laughing from 15th in the league. We're in a hole and our glorious overlords are doing nothing about it. This shouldn't be tolerated. We have the income. We do not have the ambition.
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Who buy a lot of quality? Woolwich?

Look at the actual quality players they have bought, see how much they paid for them and what wages they came in on, and then we can talk - have they raised their wages throughout their whole squad to match their highest earners the last two seasons - yes they have - but they did that 4 years into their project after sticking with their manager who built a team paying pennies for their core players - Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Martinelli cost them nothing at all.

They got rid of a lot of players on high wages (like we have the last few seasons) and slowly and for their fans, painfully, built a side from the ground up.

What do you actually want them to do about this January? do you honestly think a team will sell their best players to us or anyone for that matter - no player worth 50M+ or on wages over 150k is moving in Jan - it is such rarity - another club would have to ALLOW said player to leave at a crucial part of the season and find a suitable replacement themselves before even announcing it.....

Like, this is common sense surely? You can hate our chairman and owners and still have some.
 
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dudu said:
Who buy a lot of quality? Woolwich?

Look at the actual quality players they have bought, see how much they paid for them and what wages they came in on, and then we can talk - have they raised their wages throughout their whole squad to match their highest earners the last two seasons - yes they have - but they did that 4 years into their project after sticking with their manager who built a team paying pennies for their core players - Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Martinelli cost them nothing at all.

They got rid of a lot of players on high wages (like we have the last few seasons) and slowly and for their fans, painfully, built a side from the ground up.

What do you actually want them to do about this January? do you honestly think a team will sell their best players to us or anyone for that matter - not player forth 50M+ or on wages over 150k is moving in Jan - it is such rareity - another club would have to ALLOW said player to leave at a crucial part of the season and find a suitable replacement themselves before even announcing it.....

Like, this is common sense surely? You can hate our chairman and owners and still have some.
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So we have excuses that it's too hard in January, what was our excuse in the summer when the only actual adult we signed was Solanke?

As for your last sentence you need to read what I said again. Up until recently I was very understanding of what ENIC were trying to do. I don't inherently hate Levy, I admire the work done to get us to a certain point. But while income has shot up, output is dropping down and all I ever hear is excuses.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
So we have excuses that it's too hard in January, what was our excuse in the summer when the only actual adult we signed was Solanke?

As for your last sentence you need to read what I said again. Up until recently I was very understanding of what ENIC were trying to do. I don't inherently hate Levy, I admire the work done to get us to a certain point. But while income has shot up, output is dropping down and all I ever hear is excuses.
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But that is a NATURAL progression of what happens to wage bills.

It happened to Woolwich, It is happening at Liverpool - their wage bill has dropped as much as ours the last couple of years as they build a new team - Fuck, Chelsea's dropped 75M between 21/22 - 22/23

I think we can agree that we should be buying better players and building a squad to compete at the very top - we should, but everyone is going on about the slashing of the wage bill like it is some kind of nefarious evil thing the board is doing... and i never heard those same people come out and praise us when we were, at the time, SIGNIFICANTLY raising our wage bill to keep players like Lloris, Vertonghen, Kane, Eriksen etc at the club.

I would personally be shocked if our wages don't go up by at least 20-25% next season - if I'm wrong, ill hold my hands up but until then I'm not buying the conspiracy.
 
dudu said:
The point is the article is being twisted by an aggregator account to make it appear as if it is fact rather than something putting 2 and 2 together.

Who did Woolwich buy in the summer? Jesus has been injured on and off for AGES and Saka has no backup and hasn't for years... though that is why they bought Sterling and they also have youth players who are being integrated into the squad.

Their needing cover in those positions is not some new phenomenon at all - and who, exactly are we competing with them for? We bought a striker last year - they didn't? They are spending huge amounts of money, granted but they are going backwards It's actually funny watching it happen and them not being able to compete with the teams around them for actually good players. It just goes to show that you can throw huge sums at above-average players and make yourself look good but still be nowhere close to winning a thing. Mikel Merino on 130k a week..... Havertz on 280k..... Lol, I'm meant to be jealous of that business model?

And Liverpool - go and actually look at the players they have signed in recent years and the wages they are paid - we can and have matched 95% of them - Diaz, Gravenberch, Endo, MacAllister etc etc - all on less than Maddison and Romero.....

Take out Salah's 350k a week and their wage bill is the same as us. When he and Trent leave at the end of the season, they are not like for like replacing that 27M a year on two players..... it 100% is not their business model as can be seen by every signing they make.

Chelsea and United, fair - but the point remains the same. Sam has no idea, he wasn't actually saying anything specific about spurs, if you actually read it, more about how football works - when other teams need players in the position you are looking for, it makes the market harder - especially in January when no good players are actually available....
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dudu said:
But that is a NATURAL progression of what happens to wage bills.

It happened to Woolwich, It is happening at Liverpool - their wage bill has dropped as much as ours the last couple of years as they build a new team - Fuck, Chelsea's dropped 75M between 21/22 - 22/23

I think we can agree that we should be buying better players and building a squad to compete at the very top - we should, but everyone is going on about the slashing of the wage bill like it is some kind of nefarious evil thing the board is doing... and i never heard those same people come out and praise us when we were, at the time, SIGNIFICANTLY raising our wage bill to keep players like Lloris, Vertonghen, Kane, Eriksen etc at the club.

I would personally be shocked if our wages don't go up by at least 20-25% next season - if I'm wrong, ill hold my hands up but until then I'm not buying the conspiracy.
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I don't think it's a conspiracy, I just think ENIC lack the ability to take a gamble on something as volatile as footballers. The stadium they did because they had a solid business plan and an idea that was almost certainly going to make a return for them. When it comes to big money signings, there's no guarantee (see Tanguy) and it's more of a risk.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
I don't think it's a conspiracy, I just think ENIC lack the ability to take a gamble on something as volatile as footballers. The stadium they did because they had a solid business plan and an idea that was almost certainly going to make a return for them. When it comes to big money signings, there's no guarantee (see Tanguy) and it's more of a risk.
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Fair play, and thank you for at least having a discussion.

I mean the first sentence of your post is countered by your last sentence..... so are they less willing to take a risk right now? Yes, it seems that way and they are building a mode of buying young on lower wages (not cheap mind..... Gray was 40M) giving them space to build up wages - in a similar model to the one that worked, over recently the spanking of millions on players in wages and transfers that never played and we couldn't get off the books...
 
JimothyCF14 said:
I don't think it's a conspiracy, I just think ENIC lack the ability to take a gamble on something as volatile as footballers. The stadium they did because they had a solid business plan and an idea that was almost certainly going to make a return for them. When it comes to big money signings, there's no guarantee (see Tanguy) and it's more of a risk.
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With the rebuild process it seems they aren't valuing players as players but as investments in a futures market.
 
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