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JimothyCF14 said:
Liverpool have 12 players on north of £100k, Woolwich have 18 enough to field a full team and a bench. We have five.

They buy a lot of quality, whereas we buy some quality then pad out with promising youngsters and dross. There is absolutely no comparison in our transfer behaviour.We are not competing with Woolwich or Liverpool on any level. Once they start calling around players because they suddenly need someone to come in they just put us on hold and hope we go away.

And as for jealousy of "business models"? All I know is Liverpool and Woolwich are in a title race - Woolwich for the third year in a row. Yeah it's great we can laugh when they fall short again, and they will, but we're laughing from 15th in the league. We're in a hole and our glorious overlords are doing nothing about it. This shouldn't be tolerated. We have the income. We do not have the ambition.
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Who buy a lot of quality? Woolwich?

Look at the actual quality players they have bought, see how much they paid for them and what wages they came in on, and then we can talk - have they raised their wages throughout their whole squad to match their highest earners the last two seasons - yes they have - but they did that 4 years into their project after sticking with their manager who built a team paying pennies for their core players - Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Martinelli cost them nothing at all.

They got rid of a lot of players on high wages (like we have the last few seasons) and slowly and for their fans, painfully, built a side from the ground up.

What do you actually want them to do about this January? do you honestly think a team will sell their best players to us or anyone for that matter - no player worth 50M+ or on wages over 150k is moving in Jan - it is such rarity - another club would have to ALLOW said player to leave at a crucial part of the season and find a suitable replacement themselves before even announcing it.....

Like, this is common sense surely? You can hate our chairman and owners and still have some.
 
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dudu said:
Who buy a lot of quality? Woolwich?

Look at the actual quality players they have bought, see how much they paid for them and what wages they came in on, and then we can talk - have they raised their wages throughout their whole squad to match their highest earners the last two seasons - yes they have - but they did that 4 years into their project after sticking with their manager who built a team paying pennies for their core players - Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard, Martinelli cost them nothing at all.

They got rid of a lot of players on high wages (like we have the last few seasons) and slowly and for their fans, painfully, built a side from the ground up.

What do you actually want them to do about this January? do you honestly think a team will sell their best players to us or anyone for that matter - not player forth 50M+ or on wages over 150k is moving in Jan - it is such rareity - another club would have to ALLOW said player to leave at a crucial part of the season and find a suitable replacement themselves before even announcing it.....

Like, this is common sense surely? You can hate our chairman and owners and still have some.
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So we have excuses that it's too hard in January, what was our excuse in the summer when the only actual adult we signed was Solanke?

As for your last sentence you need to read what I said again. Up until recently I was very understanding of what ENIC were trying to do. I don't inherently hate Levy, I admire the work done to get us to a certain point. But while income has shot up, output is dropping down and all I ever hear is excuses.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
So we have excuses that it's too hard in January, what was our excuse in the summer when the only actual adult we signed was Solanke?

As for your last sentence you need to read what I said again. Up until recently I was very understanding of what ENIC were trying to do. I don't inherently hate Levy, I admire the work done to get us to a certain point. But while income has shot up, output is dropping down and all I ever hear is excuses.
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But that is a NATURAL progression of what happens to wage bills.

It happened to Woolwich, It is happening at Liverpool - their wage bill has dropped as much as ours the last couple of years as they build a new team - Fuck, Chelsea's dropped 75M between 21/22 - 22/23

I think we can agree that we should be buying better players and building a squad to compete at the very top - we should, but everyone is going on about the slashing of the wage bill like it is some kind of nefarious evil thing the board is doing... and i never heard those same people come out and praise us when we were, at the time, SIGNIFICANTLY raising our wage bill to keep players like Lloris, Vertonghen, Kane, Eriksen etc at the club.

I would personally be shocked if our wages don't go up by at least 20-25% next season - if I'm wrong, ill hold my hands up but until then I'm not buying the conspiracy.
 
dudu said:
The point is the article is being twisted by an aggregator account to make it appear as if it is fact rather than something putting 2 and 2 together.

Who did Woolwich buy in the summer? Jesus has been injured on and off for AGES and Saka has no backup and hasn't for years... though that is why they bought Sterling and they also have youth players who are being integrated into the squad.

Their needing cover in those positions is not some new phenomenon at all - and who, exactly are we competing with them for? We bought a striker last year - they didn't? They are spending huge amounts of money, granted but they are going backwards It's actually funny watching it happen and them not being able to compete with the teams around them for actually good players. It just goes to show that you can throw huge sums at above-average players and make yourself look good but still be nowhere close to winning a thing. Mikel Merino on 130k a week..... Havertz on 280k..... Lol, I'm meant to be jealous of that business model?

And Liverpool - go and actually look at the players they have signed in recent years and the wages they are paid - we can and have matched 95% of them - Diaz, Gravenberch, Endo, MacAllister etc etc - all on less than Maddison and Romero.....

Take out Salah's 350k a week and their wage bill is the same as us. When he and Trent leave at the end of the season, they are not like for like replacing that 27M a year on two players..... it 100% is not their business model as can be seen by every signing they make.

Chelsea and United, fair - but the point remains the same. Sam has no idea, he wasn't actually saying anything specific about spurs, if you actually read it, more about how football works - when other teams need players in the position you are looking for, it makes the market harder - especially in January when no good players are actually available....
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dudu said:
But that is a NATURAL progression of what happens to wage bills.

It happened to Woolwich, It is happening at Liverpool - their wage bill has dropped as much as ours the last couple of years as they build a new team - Fuck, Chelsea's dropped 75M between 21/22 - 22/23

I think we can agree that we should be buying better players and building a squad to compete at the very top - we should, but everyone is going on about the slashing of the wage bill like it is some kind of nefarious evil thing the board is doing... and i never heard those same people come out and praise us when we were, at the time, SIGNIFICANTLY raising our wage bill to keep players like Lloris, Vertonghen, Kane, Eriksen etc at the club.

I would personally be shocked if our wages don't go up by at least 20-25% next season - if I'm wrong, ill hold my hands up but until then I'm not buying the conspiracy.
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I don't think it's a conspiracy, I just think ENIC lack the ability to take a gamble on something as volatile as footballers. The stadium they did because they had a solid business plan and an idea that was almost certainly going to make a return for them. When it comes to big money signings, there's no guarantee (see Tanguy) and it's more of a risk.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
I don't think it's a conspiracy, I just think ENIC lack the ability to take a gamble on something as volatile as footballers. The stadium they did because they had a solid business plan and an idea that was almost certainly going to make a return for them. When it comes to big money signings, there's no guarantee (see Tanguy) and it's more of a risk.
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Fair play, and thank you for at least having a discussion.

I mean the first sentence of your post is countered by your last sentence..... so are they less willing to take a risk right now? Yes, it seems that way and they are building a mode of buying young on lower wages (not cheap mind..... Gray was 40M) giving them space to build up wages - in a similar model to the one that worked, over recently the spanking of millions on players in wages and transfers that never played and we couldn't get off the books...
 
JimothyCF14 said:
I don't think it's a conspiracy, I just think ENIC lack the ability to take a gamble on something as volatile as footballers. The stadium they did because they had a solid business plan and an idea that was almost certainly going to make a return for them. When it comes to big money signings, there's no guarantee (see Tanguy) and it's more of a risk.
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With the rebuild process it seems they aren't valuing players as players but as investments in a futures market.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
I don't think it's a conspiracy, I just think ENIC lack the ability to take a gamble on something as volatile as footballers. The stadium they did because they had a solid business plan and an idea that was almost certainly going to make a return for them. When it comes to big money signings, there's no guarantee (see Tanguy) and it's more of a risk.
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Buying young players on the cheap that can be developed and sold on has always been Levy's modus operandi imo. And complementing them with some decent veterans. He most likely envisions us as a English answer to Dortmund, Leipzig and other continental talent factories.

He clearly sees being in the European competitions as success, which doesn't necessarily sync up with the fans who want silverware as well.

If we could just get a few cups while doing it the fans probably would not complain as much. And the ascent of Brighton and to a lesser extent Brentford means that our position as the "talent factory" is under threat as well.
 
ShutUpPatrik said:
Buying young players on the cheap that can be developed and sold on has always been Levy's modus operandi imo
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This is only half right.

Levy buys cheap as a priority.

Spurs have signed Bergvall and Gray for decent money, in respect of the fees paid; in particular for Gray.

What happens if these young players morph into Bale types is that their wages then become the issue for the miser.

Levy prefers to sell this type of player, once they reach a playing level that requires a better salary, rather than keep them at Spurs on higher wages and needing the team to achieve Champions League football to cover their increased wages.

He then spaffs the incoming transfer bunce on two more young players and hopes to repeat the trick.
 
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