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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Jose took it to an extreme though, we had the worst running stats in the league under him.

The simple fact is playing twice a week every week over the winter months - you absolutely do not need to be doing more running In training, that sharpness is going to remain throughout. The problem is, Ange does not train tactics, we have a first hand account of that, so if he removes the running - what are they actually going to do in training? - Werner could do with some shooting practice and Dragusin could learn to pass the ball forwards, but other than that
Yeah, Jose took it too far in the other direction. But there is a lot of sense in the whole Tactical Periodisation method that he and a lot of other managers from Portugal and Spain follow.
 
Just let Ange see the season out. Judge him on the back end of the season where hopefully the squad is fully fit and we can see what the results are like when he has VDV, Romero, Udogie and co back.

If the team is still looking lacklustre at that point, then make the change over the summer.

Personally I don't hold out much hope for him. I've really not seen much tactical nouse that gives me the impression he's anything special, but I haven't written him off yet.
 
If we have the best then why are four medical positions advertised mid season, either some have been made scapegoats , positions were never filled or they were not the best and we are now seeking the best?
Facilities mat be best but background team certainly are not. Jedenik just retired so had no experience. If Mason wanted to be a first class coach he should have left the comfort of the nest and cut his teeth in a lower league. Di we have a set piece coach, since Vio left when Conte did, looking at how we defend corners I very much doubt it.
That's a seperate issue. Clearly we have decided to change things but pretending the players were sharing one physio and the medical team under resourced is speculative junk. And Conte was allowed to bring a large team. It was Ange chose to come in with zero back room, which shows how fucking clueless the bloke is. NO serious head coach behaves this way
 
Just let Ange see the season out. Judge him on the back end of the season where hopefully the squad is fully fit and we can see what the results are like when he has VDV, Romero, Udogie and co back.

If the team is still looking lacklustre at that point, then make the change over the summer.

Personally I don't hold out much hope for him. I've really not seen much tactical nouse that gives me the impression he's anything special, but I haven't written him off yet.
And let us go down?
Literally, you would watch us slip into the bottom 3 then stay there, and keep this opinion?
 
Just let Ange see the season out. Judge him on the back end of the season where hopefully the squad is fully fit and we can see what the results are like when he has VDV, Romero, Udogie and co back.

If the team is still looking lacklustre at that point, then make the change over the summer.

Personally I don't hold out much hope for him. I've really not seen much tactical nouse that gives me the impression he's anything special, but I haven't written him off yet.
He was mostly shit last season from game 11 onwards, and almost entirely shit this one outside of a handful of games.

What more can we learn between now and May? He has us on track to 17th, and that's just because the 3 promoted teams are so weak.
 
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Just let Ange see the season out. Judge him on the back end of the season where hopefully the squad is fully fit and we can see what the results are like when he has VDV, Romero, Udogie and co back.

If the team is still looking lacklustre at that point, then make the change over the summer.

Personally I don't hold out much hope for him. I've really not seen much tactical nouse that gives me the impression he's anything special, but I haven't written him off yet.
We won just 9 league games out of 35 in all of 2024. Many of these games with close to our first choice 11. Do not be fooled.

Of course injuries have exacerbated the situation further, but this fluffer loses games with everyone fit too.
 
And let us go down?
Literally, you would watch us slip into the bottom 3 then stay there, and keep this opinion?

We could go down and some would still want him in - who would be better at getting us out of the champ? We need to back him in the summer window and buy that striker from Carlisle? He will deliver the Johnston’s screwfit milk Vase this season.

Then when we finish 12th in the champ it will be “are you not entertained”
 
We could go down and some would still want him in - who would be better at getting us out of the champ? We need to back him in the summer window and buy that striker from Carlisle? He will deliver the Johnston’s screwfit milk Vase this season.

Then when we finish 12th in the champ it will be “are you not entertained”
I can see it now. Combine that with the brutal cost cutting ENIC would implement. And let's not forget the Championship is a more competitive league than any of Scotland, Australia and Japan. Relegation really must be avoided.
 
We could go down and some would still want him in - who would be better at getting us out of the champ? We need to back him in the summer window and buy that striker from Carlisle? He will deliver the Johnston’s screwfit milk Vase this season.

Then when we finish 12th in the champ it will be “are you not entertained”
And “we’d be top 5 but injuries”.

And old faithful would be wheeled out “remember those first 10 games … high ceiling low floor “
 
I keep reading people saying things like “let him see the season out and we’ll see how next season is with all our players back”

….if we finish 12th-17th, do people not realise that these players might not be our players anymore?

And where do you think we’re shopping? Levy didn’t even follow up making the champions league final by buying better players to get us over the line, why is he going to suddenly sign world beaters if we avoid relegation?

Honestly do some people not see how far we’ve regressed? We have absolutely plummeted under this manger, through the floor, into the basement and on, we’re closer to Mordor than we are Europe.

If we finish in a crap position as is hugely likely, Romero likely goes, and teams from various countries will be circling (whether you rate the players or not) around VDV, Porro, Udogie, Spence, Bergvall, Gray, Sarr, Kulu, probably even Solanke… now of course I’m not saying they all go at once, but if a few of them feel they’re good enough for Europe they may well, and then what faith have you got in Levy to replace them well?

That’s before you even hand them over to our pub manager for his third season, where we will no doubt have another ‘unprecendented’ injury crisis.

It isn’t as simple as just saying let him finish where he does and crack on next year.
 
I keep reading people saying things like “let him see the season out and we’ll see how next season is with all our players back”

….if we finish 12th-17th, do people not realise that these players might not be our players anymore?

And where do you think we’re shopping? Levy didn’t even follow up making the champions league final by buying better players to get us over the line, why is he going to suddenly sign world beaters if we avoid relegation?

Honestly do some people not see how far we’ve regressed? We have absolutely plummeted under this manger, through the floor, into the basement and on, we’re closer to Mordor than we are Europe.

If we finish in a crap position as is hugely likely, Romero likely goes, and teams from various countries will be circling (whether you rate the players or not) around VDV, Porro, Udogie, Spence, Bergvall, Gray, Sarr, Kulu, probably even Solanke… now of course I’m not saying they all go at once, but if a few of them feel they’re good enough for Europe they may well, and then what faith have you got in Levy to replace them well?

That’s before you even hand them over to our pub manager for his third season, where we will no doubt have another ‘unprecendented’ injury crisis.

It isn’t as simple as just saying let him finish where he does and crack on next year.
Great post

Now that he must go, the sooner the better
 
They also have a manager that’s a tiny bit better than ours
I was only talking about teams that look tired and how it hurts them.
I'm under no illusion we look tired because our idiot Circus Tavern league manager has managed to run the players into the ground through lack of rotation and squad management. City have been competing on 4 fronts season after season going deep into the cups every year. we played the 2nd least amount of games ever in the the PL era last season behind only.....us. And still players looked shagged and got injured all the time.
We could go down and some would still want him in - who would be better at getting us out of the champ? We need to back him in the summer window and buy that striker from Carlisle? He will deliver the Johnston’s screwfit milk Vase this season.

Then when we finish 12th in the champ it will be “are you not entertained”
This isn't funny because it's true.
This mental delusional behaviour from fans is actually rapidly becoming more of a problem than Ange himself.
 
Regardless of manager, we need squad depth to compete domestically and in Europe. I was responding to a comment solely blaming our style of play for the injuries.
It seems to play a part in the injuries.

How much squad depth do we need. It’s starting to look like we’d need to spend city money to make it work.

If we were 10th, I could understand. But 15th is inexcusable.
 
I keep reading people saying things like “let him see the season out and we’ll see how next season is with all our players back”

….if we finish 12th-17th, do people not realise that these players might not be our players anymore?

And where do you think we’re shopping? Levy didn’t even follow up making the champions league final by buying better players to get us over the line, why is he going to suddenly sign world beaters if we avoid relegation?

Honestly do some people not see how far we’ve regressed? We have absolutely plummeted under this manger, through the floor, into the basement and on, we’re closer to Mordor than we are Europe.

If we finish in a crap position as is hugely likely, Romero likely goes, and teams from various countries will be circling (whether you rate the players or not) around VDV, Porro, Udogie, Spence, Bergvall, Gray, Sarr, Kulu, probably even Solanke… now of course I’m not saying they all go at once, but if a few of them feel they’re good enough for Europe they may well, and then what faith have you got in Levy to replace them well?

That’s before you even hand them over to our pub manager for his third season, where we will no doubt have another ‘unprecendented’ injury crisis.

It isn’t as simple as just saying let him finish where he does and crack on next year.

Why is that, where are they going?

They can't just suddenly up and leave when they feel like it? :D
 
I understand not wanting to sack him after a 66 points/5th place finish, but they should still have been prepared for the possibility of a mid-season change before a ball was kicked this season. This kind of a total collapse was nearly impossible to envision, but alarm bells were still ringing to a considerable degree about Ange's long-term suitability for the job. 1 point from 5 matches after that Chelsea match, 4 match losing streak near the end of the season, struggles in breaking down low blocks and relying on last minute goals and comebacks to win against inferior teams on many occasions. These cannot simply be brushed away as hindsight.

United, despite him having a strong first season and winning a cup in his second season as well, pulled the plug on Ten Hag after 9 league matches, sitting with 11 points. We had 13 from our first 9. In a spell where we gave away a 2 goal lead against Brighton, and dropped 5 points against Leicester and Palace. Two weeks later, on Nov 10, we lost to another relegation fodder Ipswich at home. If they actually had a replacement plan ready, this would have been a great time to pull the plug on him. Everything to play for in the league, no injury excuse or any other mitigating factors in sight. Instead they put all their eggs in Ange basket, an injury crisis started appearing on the horizon, and the rest is history.

Even if they no longer believe in him, which might not even be the case by the way, we are in purgatory now. Probably too late in the context of the season to replace him with a permanent long-term successor, but also too early to throw the towel by going with Mason. If they ever plan on taking that route again that is.

Between him, Mason, and a rushed appointment from a limited number of available candidates, I can't see an easy way out. Pick your poison.

No, it really was not.

I was discussing the upcoming season in office with a colleague who follows football.
I said that we had been absolute shit in last 1/3 of the season and literally everything was falling apart. We did not have leadership sorted and Son being captain is shambolic. We don't adapt in any way and in game management is not there. I looked at our fixture list and said that "My guess is that last season shitshow carries on, we will have tough fixture list and among it is pre-Xmas game against Liverpool. I am afraid we go into it with poor run of form, Liverpool destroys us at home. We are in poor position in league, Levy will pull the trigger and Ange can still get in on mall-santa-action with his big belly and beard."

Then the season kicked off. We got off with 1 win in 4 games (!) note that all Ange lovers (!) . With some clueless comments about "deserving more but being dissapointed". Then there was Coventry shitshow that we managed to turn around literally within last minutes.

Then fortunes turned and even I became bit more optimistic. We did manage to win 9 out of next 10 games across all competitions which was good. I was not at all bugged by losing to Galatasaray either - because we kept doing what we had been doing up to that point - lot of rotation, resting the senior players and giving outlet to kids. Like Lankshear. Who also scored in that one. I understood what Ange was going for, just it did not fully happen. There are such games, no biggie.

But thats when all went to total shit. Losing to Ipswich at home - absolute shock and monumental fuckup. Literally one of the worst results in past decades - to let promoted team get their first victory at our home stadium?!?! Wow. And we never really recovered from that.
OK - it was cool winning vs City. Cause they played in the way that suits our half-tactic. But that was it, since then ... I don't want to comment on anything at all. Southampton win was literally a cherry on top of pile of shit. And cherry on top of shit does not make it a cake.

In the end the prediction was accurate. Letting Pool score 6 (!) against us at walking pace at home is absolutely unforgivable!
But somehow since then we have managed to just sit here without doing anything and have become absolute laughing stock of European football. 5 points from last 10 games! For some, being able to win firs half in 180 min game and needing extra time against non-league side (for first time in century I think?!?) is somehow enough to keep kicking this empty can down the road. I am baffled. We need restart.
 
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