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Football wasn’t really played at the intensity it is now either
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Football wasn’t really played at the intensity it is now either
It's a balance. Too much muscle and you use up too much energy feeding them. Those sorts of players are never gonna run 10k a match and be at a high level by the end of the match. You can't overcome biology without chemical cheating.
Too little muscle and you get battered. Unless you're a Modric type who was a freak really.
Like it not though, football is more a running semi-contact sport than a full on contact sport. Being overly big and strong for most positions isn't useful.
Most players are 5ft 9 to 6ft 3 these days. You don't see too many short players or freakishly large players. They're a true 5ft 9 as well. When Dave from the office, who says he's 5ft 10 to the birds stands next to them, he'd look small. Cause he is.
Haha! The main reason I wanted United to win the final? There was just a chance that Lord Rat and Co would lose their nerve and keep him on. Ignoring - Coverntry, Palace, Brighton Brentofrd and God knows how many APPALLING performances the team put in. They manged to avoid losing to LFC 3 times, but really the 2 I saw LFC shouldve knocked em for 6. In the FA Cup tie they had as many chances as they did v us in the 3-6, couldve had 10.
And they did!! The ONE performance - albeit a bit lucky with a gifted goal and a number of scrapes at 2-1!! The ONE performnce,m final game of the season.
"Yep, he's the one for us!"
In the unlikely event we win cup, it wouldnt change my view - he's got to go. Just not good enough.
If we won 2 cups, again, he's got to go.
UNLESS - BIG IF: he completely revamps his approach and we can keep clean sheets. but 3 all season? Just don't see it.
1. Yes, he is playing an extra intense style with less timewasting.
2. Yes that does place extra demand on the players.
3. That’s what he was recruited to do.
So,
If the club has cut the wage bill by 35m in one summer and replaced senior players with 18 year olds who can’t be thrown straight in to start the season. Is that still Ange’s fault if players start picking up injuries?
Also,
He has actually adjusted the press to be less intense as the injuries hit. That’s not me saying that, it’s been noted and shows out in our pressing stats.
And,
Vicario - not intensity related
Romero - was an ankle knock from a challenge then had a completely different injury after 3 weeks break. Ange even held back his return.
Richarlison - injury prone since he arrived at the club. Nobody in their right mind can blame Ange for those.
So really you could try and blame Ange for Hamstrings and of those, Odobert had hardly even played when he got injured and VDV definitely wasn’t being overplayed. Davies and Udogie happened as a direct result of the compound effect of other injuries and for Udogie Spence getting a ridiculous second yellow for a blatant dive.
City money....
Since that 3-0 win on Dec 4th, those 2 games are the only 2 losses they've had in 10.
They've won 6, lost 2, drawn 2. They also didn't need ET to beat Salford in the cup.
So yeah. City money.
And an actual football manager.
Man Utd SHOULD challenge for the PL, success for them is different to success for us. ETH had absurd financial resources spent on transfers and wages. It’s not comparable to success for us at all.
But.
ETH will get another job because he won trophies. And it will be a big job
Why is that, where are they going?
They can't just suddenly up and leave when they feel like it?
You and I both know that if there’s an opportunity to make money Levy more often than not takes it, Berba, Modric… if players feel they’re can play at a higher level then they make a fuss until they get let go. I get they have contracts, but it’s something we’ve seen time and time again.
Player gets annoyed, wants to move, kicks up a fuss, eventually they let him go so it doesn’t affect the rest of the team.
I did say, I’m not saying all of them will go, however I think it’s naive to just assume we start next season with the same set of players if we keep letting Ange take us lower.
There’s a lot of people comparing Ange to Amorim. It doesn’t make any sense.
Ange has had three transfer windows, a number of these players are ‘his’. He’s had a season and a half to get ideas across, and for players to adapt to his “system”.
Amorim, hasn’t finished his full transfer window yet and I think United are buggered with PSR until they sell first, he doesn’t therefore have any players he has wanted for his system, he’s got an old, creaking poorly put together squad.
They aren’t at the same stage in their journey here, Ange has had more time and backing and shouldn’t be sat under Amorim in the table.
Levy actually is very reluctant to sell his best players and is more likely to ask for big money for them, he has a history of that and will only sell when their contracts are running down and they haven's signed.
The thing with this argument is if you reverse it, if our players are doing well and have the club challenging do you not think these players would not be attractive to potential suitors? Do you think the likes of Romero and Porro would turn down potential offers from Real just because we happen to be doing well.
Either way our better players will want to go to a bigger club at some point, more so if they are playing well when their stocks are high,
Plus our squad suits him.
Is that entirely true though? And that’s a bit rhetorical if I’m honest because tbh I can see how it can be framed either way.
You’re right, they could essentially leave at either point. However if they are playing in a team doing well, winning games and achieving something to me, they’re happier, it’s harder to get them to move on because they’re happy. Of course if Madrid come in for you then sure, you likely move either way. A lot of players want to play in the champions league, if we are doing that then they’re only really going to leave to go somewhere they have more chance of winning those competitions instead of just competing in them.
If we finish low, have no Europe etc, there’s a whole host of clubs and a wider market for them. Plus, being here, playing in a crap system going no where they’re less likely to be happy and more likely to move (in my opinion).
You're correct to dismiss Ange at this stage but putting stocks in Amorim after the way he's managed Utd so far is laughable, he may come good but the record he has at the moment is embarrassing and the Utd fans will tell you it's not just down to the players, he's made a fuck load of mistakes, from selections, to subs.
Porro and Udogie playing in their preferred and most familiar positions would be revolutionary.
I’m not putting stocks in him, I’ve openly said that before we got Ange my choice was Amorim. I haven’t said he’s managed United well and perhaps I’m wrong about him. Of course he’s made mistakes getting to know his squad and its issues. It may well all still fall flat on its face for him.
My point, is that you can’t compare the two, they are in very different situations for the reasons I mentioned. Ange has had a season and a half, so he should be a season and a half ahead of Amorim in terms of progress, he isn’t.
He’s two points and two positions behind him despite a head start.
You did not answer my question.
If it was up to you. Would or wouldn't have you sacked ETH?
Bit in bold, is this about my point about Levy?
Either way happier than not my point is that it's just as unlikely/likely for them to leave when the club is doing badly as opposed to them club doing well, actually more chance of them being picked off because they'd be getting noticed more.
The only player right now in danger of leaving is Romero but we know that already and even then it's not even crystal clear that he is Real's no1 target anyway...the others? Well are they even playing well enough to go anywhere which they would consider an upgrade? I don't think so.