Match TSG 1899 Hoffenheim v Tottenham Hotspur | Thursday 23rd January | Rhein-Neckar Arena | 17:45

[prinmemo]

Lol.basketball is 100% less physically draining than football I've played both to university level. It's not at all comparable. Play two bb games and day it's not like running 11k a game and tackling with your feet. Diffrent kind of attrition totally. Bug I get way Jay is sick of the bloody excuses.

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In the NBA the starters typically okay 35 of 48 minutes. They also get TV timeouts, regular time outs, and breaks between the first and second quarter and the third and fourth quarters.

American football they barely do any work. Six seconds of action followed by 35 seconds of recovery plus time outs, etc.

 

[Shotgunofmichalebrow]

In the NBA the starters typically okay 35 of 38 minutes. They also get TV timeouts, regular time outs, and breaks between the first and second quarter and the third and fourth quarters.

American football they barely do any work. Six seconds of action followed by 35 seconds of recovery plus time outs, etc.

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It's just not comparable.

 

[Boltonspur]

It's relative though. They are playing other elite athletes and if their opponents have an extra few percent to give because they haven't accumulated as much fatigue over the season, our players look tired compared to them.

Even with the NBA, a team can look jaded on the second night of a back-to-back fixture, especially if a flight was involved. But it's jaded relative to the opponent.

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This is the point.
If any of us went up against similarly fit/unfit people of the same level, then it’s plain that if I run 10,000m 3 times a week, I will be more weary than someone who has done it once or twice in the same timeframe. That said I couldn’t probably manage 100 m 3 times a week.
These are elite levels. A fraction of a second “off it” then you’re toast and it’s probably a gilt edged chance you’ve just coughed up.

 

[harrymonk]

What was their formation all about

 

[Spurs Curious]

In the NBA the starters typically okay 35 of 38 minutes. They also get TV timeouts, regular time outs, and breaks between the first and second quarter and the third and fourth quarters.

American football they barely do any work. Six seconds of action followed by 35 seconds of recovery plus time outs, etc.

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You’re equating fitness to time spent.

The issue with an explosive sport like basketball isn’t the time per se, it’s the bumps and grind. The slight tweak of an ankle etc. it all adds up when you don’t get a chance to recover properly. You end up at a disadvantage to someone who hasn’t done that.

The same as football.

 

[Gazzapen]

I see a player that has lost a yard of pace and is struggling to adapt his game at the moment but I do know from that sort of position and angle Sonny sticks it away and he did , not having his best season and he’s missed some sitters , well according to us mere mortals but he’s still a goal threat and confidence is low .

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I Love Son. And I believe has still has a lot to offer Us. But he is over worked and Tired. He needs to rest. Why, If Moore is reasonably fit are we starting Son and Kulu. Lankshear hasn't even been given one full game to try Establish himself. Ange keeps claiming our players are over worked but it his fault because he only knows one way, with one set of players.

 

[Richard Arlison]

Lol.basketball is 100% less physically draining than football I've played both to university level. It's not at all comparable. Can play two bb games and day it's not like running 11k a game and tackling with your feet. Diffrent kind of attrition totally. But I get way Jay is sick of the bloody excuses.

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Basketball on a one game basis isn’t comparable but they play 82 games and regular back to back to back stretches. In Europe and the NBA the travel schedules are much more grueling than football too.

 

[prinmemo]

You’re equating fitness to time spent.

The issue with an explosive sport like basketball isn’t the time per se, it’s the bumps and grind. The slight tweak of an ankle etc. it all adds up when you don’t get a chance to recover properly. You end up at a disadvantage to someone who hasn’t done that.

The same as football.

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Football is played for 90 minutes with dozens of sprints, changes of direction, fouls, and 10-12 km of running.

 

[Shotgunofmichalebrow]

I Love Son. And I believe has still has a lot to offer Us. But he is over worked and Tired. He needs to rest. Why, If Moore is reasonably fit are we starting Son and Kulu. Lankshear hasn't even been given one full game to try Establish himself. Ange keeps claiming our players are over worked but it his fault because he only knows one way, with one set of players.

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This exactly . We are losing with the knackered players any way back more of the kids.

 

[Richard Arlison]

Really not against you, my man...but I'm the one who's uber tired of hearing about Porro & co being exhausted.

They're professional footballers. They train 2 hours a day...not even every day. Play twice a week on average...180 ish mins of football, knowing the ball's in play for a lot less than that.

Yeah yeah yeah they gotta travel...must be exhausting travelling first class in private jets, staying in the best hotels, having someone carry your luggage to your room.

As elite athletes, they're pampered daily by kines/masseurs, have access to premium equipment like saunas, jacuzzi, cryotherapy plus all the sports science, the mental support, the best nutrition. They also earn crazy money and can afford the best PT outside club hours.

NBA players play 4 or 5 times a week, 82+ games a season. Same in the NHL. Think it's over 100 games in baseball. The first two are much more physical than football...they still come out and play at a high level.

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Those 82 games are a huge detriment to the product though.

You get schedule losses in the NBA because one team is on the end of road trip with multiple back to backs.

Football is headed that way too. Our 6-3 loss to Liverpool was a schedule loss almost, especially considering the sickness bug in the team.

 

[Ionman34]

In the NBA the starters typically okay 35 of 48 minutes. They also get TV timeouts, regular time outs, and breaks between the first and second quarter and the third and fourth quarters.

American football they barely do any work. Six seconds of action followed by 35 seconds of recovery plus time outs, etc.

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This.

NFL is an hour long game that takes approximately 3 hours to complete. They make a play, then stop. They have a certain.periid of time before they then have to restart play.

They have one team to attack, and another entire team to defend. Even comparing that to proper Football is utterly ridiculous. They spend more time standing still than they do moving.

With NBA, they can swap out players constantly. Get subbed, get a breather, rehydrate, then get swapped back in again once you've recovered.

Using American sports as a stick to beat our players with now?

Next we'll be told that golfers have it harder because they spend up to 4 hours "in the field," and do that over 4 consecutive days, when Footballers only have 90 minutes.

Poor old Cricketers spending 5 days playing a test put Footballers to shame. They must be the fittest sportsmen on the planet.

 

[Hulk]

This.

NFL is an hour long game that takes approximately 3 hours to complete. They make a play, then stop. They have a certain.periid of time before they then have to restart play.

They have one team to attack, and another entire team to defend. Even comparing that to proper Football is utterly ridiculous. They spend more time standing still than they do moving.

With NBA, they can swap out players constantly. Get subbed, get a breather, rehydrate, then get swapped back in again once you've recovered.

Using American sports as a stick to beat our players with now?

Next we'll be told that golfers have it harder because they spend up to 4 hours "in the field," and do that over 4 consecutive days, when Footballers only have 90 minutes.

Poor old Cricketers spending 5 days playing a test put Footballers to shame. They must be the fittest sportsmen on the planet.

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Totally agree - it literally isn't even the same fucking ball park. Ridiculous comparison and anyone who has played football to a half decent level even will know this.

 

[WillWilliams]

If I'm reading this right, Spence can be registered along with two more players in the knockout phase

UEFA Documents

documents.uefa.com

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Don’t think so. But I’m not reading those rules.

We were limited to 23 players due to only having two Club trained players. You need to have 4. We sold them all though.

Does that rule change for the knockout phase?

We could take out Odobert and replace him with Spence for sure.

 

[FightingIllini]

Lol.basketball is 100% less physically draining than football I've played both to university level. It's not at all comparable. Can play two bb games and day it's not like running 11k a game and tackling with your feet. Diffrent kind of attrition totally. But I get way Jay is sick of the bloody excuses.

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In the NBA the starters typically okay 35 of 48 minutes. They also get TV timeouts, regular time outs, and breaks between the first and second quarter and the third and fourth quarters.

American football they barely do any work. Six seconds of action followed by 35 seconds of recovery plus time outs, etc.

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This.

NFL is an hour long game that takes approximately 3 hours to complete. They make a play, then stop. They have a certain.periid of time before they then have to restart play.

They have one team to attack, and another entire team to defend. Even comparing that to proper Football is utterly ridiculous. They spend more time standing still than they do moving.

With NBA, they can swap out players constantly. Get subbed, get a breather, rehydrate, then get swapped back in again once you've recovered.

Using American sports as a stick to beat our players with now?

Next we'll be told that golfers have it harder because they spend up to 4 hours "in the field," and do that over 4 consecutive days, when Footballers only have 90 minutes.

Poor old Cricketers spending 5 days playing a test put Footballers to shame. They must be the fittest sportsmen on the planet.

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Totally agree - it literally isn't even the same fucking ball park. Ridiculous comparison and anyone who has played football to a half decent level even will know this.

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This is all in furtherance of my point.

Football, played with modern press-heavy tactics with modern fixture congestion takes an enormous strain on the human body, and to the extent Ange in terms of tactics, training, selection, or some combination of all three is asking more of the players bodies than is typical, that's stretching things to a breaking point.

And all sports science is discovering the necessities and advantages of rest in ensuring peak performance and injury prevention over time.

 

[Stateside Spur]

Those 82 games are a huge detriment to the product though.

You get schedule losses in the NBA because one team is on the end of road trip with multiple back to backs.

Football is headed that way too. Our 6-3 loss to Liverpool was a schedule loss almost, especially considering the sickness bug in the team.

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NBA has recently had to implement new rules to try and “force” star players to play more games. Up until a year or two ago, stars would regularly take maintenance days off and not play in games.

The NBA then passed a rule requiring a certain amount of games played in order to qualify for end-of-year awards that directly affect salary on the next contract.

Even with this, there are pretty infamous cases such as Joel Embiid who just refuse to play in a significant portion of games (and has been investigated for it).

TLDR; NBA is a shit example to bash our players about fatigue.

 

[Os22]

Are we…. Are we starting a basketball team??

 

[Steve007]

Porro

Are we…. Are we starting a basketball team??

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Is there any money in it?

 

[Spursidol]

Don’t think so. But I’m not reading those rules.

We were limited to 23 players due to only having two Club trained players. You need to have 4. We sold them all though.

Does that rule change for the knockout phase?

We could take out Odobert and replace him with Spence for sure.

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Yes, we can make 3 changes to EL squad at end of January transfer window, providing we have less than 17 overseas trained players and other rules.

A couple of possible changes ;
Klinsky replaces Forster
Spence replaces Werner
3rd change may depend on any incoming players

May also depend upon any injury return dates

 

[TottsAmazeballs]

This.

NFL is an hour long game that takes approximately 3 hours to complete. They make a play, then stop. They have a certain.periid of time before they then have to restart play.

They have one team to attack, and another entire team to defend. Even comparing that to proper Football is utterly ridiculous. They spend more time standing still than they do moving.

With NBA, they can swap out players constantly. Get subbed, get a breather, rehydrate, then get swapped back in again once you've recovered.

Using American sports as a stick to beat our players with now?

Next we'll be told that golfers have it harder because they spend up to 4 hours "in the field," and do that over 4 consecutive days, when Footballers only have 90 minutes.

Poor old Cricketers spending 5 days playing a test put Footballers to shame. They must be the fittest sportsmen on the planet.

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So, what I'm hearing is, we don't change the number of games, we just break the game up into small sections and have plenty of timeouts.

So, NFL-style, we start early in the day, play six 15-minute sections with a 10 minute break between each, with tactical timeouts and stoppages, where we hear analysis, stats, gossip, player bios and refill our 32oz cups of pisswasser. The whole game would be spread over 3 or 4 hours and it would be a grand day out for the whole family.

I know someone who would love this.




Pros:

Plenty of rest would keep the players healthy and champing at the bit.
Spend all day at the game club shop.
Take a picnic Rent a cheeseboard.
Give more time to make strategic and tactical changes fuck-ups.
T-SHIRT CANNONS!
Cheerleaders!

Cons:

It would literally cost a grand for one day out with the whole family.
"The players are cooling down too much, which is likely to increase injuries"
Tension might be unbearable.
Bissouma would not be able to concentrate for that long.

Fuck it, I'm in.

 

[FightingIllini]

If I'm reading this right, Spence can be registered along with two more players in the knockout phase

UEFA Documents

documents.uefa.com

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If I understand that correctly, think about a player like Archie Gray.

Because he's newly transferred to the club, he's not eligible for the U21 List B, despite being underage, so he's a part of the senior List A squad, albeit as an "association trained" player because he's from Leeds' academy.

But then once he's been here two years, he will be eligible for List B and still be young enough, so he'll drop out of the 25 for that season.

AND THEN the next year he'll have been here three years up to the season he turns 21, so he will become a "club-trained" player.

2024-25: List A Association Trained
2025-26: List A Association Trained
2026-27: List B
2027-28: List A Club Trained

And then its the same for Bergvall except he counts as foreign until he's been here long enough to count as a youth player.

Fuck me that's confusing