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Management So (hypothetically) who replaces Ange then?

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Who to replace Ange?

  • Andoni Iraola

  • Edin Terzic

  • Graham Potter

  • Thomas Frank

  • Marco Silva

  • Kieran McKenna

  • Ryan Mason (Full Time)

  • Michel

  • Xavi

  • Mauricio Pochettino

  • Dino Toppmoller

  • Simone Inzaghi

  • Sean Dyche (Click here if you're an idiot)

  • No-one (Ange new contract)

  • Oliver Glasner

  • Vincenzo Italiano

  • Vitor Pereira

  • Scott Parker

  • Will Still

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Richard Arlison said:
That 2 PPG isn’t based on those first 10 games at all, I didn’t even include them. I was talking about the 16 games from December to March where we got 2.25 PPG. I haven’t even added the 10 games to see what that would look like over 26 games…

If you’ve watched the games and have your own opinion on what is and isn’t good football, you are entitled to that opinion, obviously. I’m just not that interested in people’s opinions on what is and isn’t good football when evaluating if we quit on our manager at this point.
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Dno where your getting 2.25 from it's more like 1.8 which is pretty good to be fair.

My opinion isn't based on the fact that we have played some very nice football at times but on results and other mitigating factors like squad management. Is the team improving, is the manager making us better than the sum of its parts, he's not...and he has been given plenty of time to get points on the board and we are sinking...

it will be the players who will get us out of this mess not the manager.
 
Skippa18 said:
Dno where your getting 2.25 from it's more like 1.8 which is pretty good to be fair.

My opinion isn't based on the fact that we have played some very nice football at times but on results and other mitigating factors like squad management. Is the team improving, is the manager making us better than the sum of its parts, he's not...and he has been given plenty of time to get points on the board and we are sinking...

it will be the players who will get us out of this mess not the manager.
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Actually it's 31 points from 16 games @ 1.93 PPG. I had counted one of the FA Cup games I think.

Still 1.9 PPG over the Christmas period, without Son, Sarr and Bissouma. Not exactly screaming "found out" to me.

And again, your opinions on good football, team getting better, squad management... entitled to all of those. I'm just not interested in other people's opinions on this at this point. That might change but it won't change whilst we have just played 2 games a week for 2 months in the middle of a brutal injury crisis.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Guarantee you if we go for Iraola next, we will be right back here in less than 18 months with very similar people saying he can't coach and doesn't have the tactical ability to be good enough for this club. And not because it will be true but because we will be going through rough results for some reason or another. Also, 1000% guarantee we will sign a player that nobody likes and very similar people will be saying they don't trust his judgement on players.

Those aren't even difficult predictions to make either.
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Sounds a lot like modern football in general.
 
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Richard Arlison said:
Actually it's 31 points from 16 games @ 1.93 PPG. I had counted one of the FA Cup games I think.

Still 1.9 PPG over the Christmas period, without Son, Sarr and Bissouma. Not exactly screaming "found out" to me.

And again, your opinions on good football, team getting better, squad management... entitled to all of those. I'm just not interested in other people's opinions on this at this point. That might change but it won't change whilst we have just played 2 games a week for 2 months in the middle of a brutal injury crisis.
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It's 30point from 16 games 1.87ppg mate and what we would expect from a manager at Tottenham Hotspur to meet expectations and be competitive.

But it's all relevant, Romero, VDV and Sarr are currently injured because of this guys poor judgment and ego
 
Skippa18 said:
It's 30point from 16 games 1.87ppg mate and what we would expect from a manager at Tottenham Hotspur to meet expectations and be competitive.

But it's all relevant, Romero, VDV and Sarr are currently injured because of this guys poor judgment and ego
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I mean, Romero 100% isn't. VDV he has a part in it. Sarr you can make a case that he could have played Reguillon. I would have but at this point when look at the recruitment issues against the already established injury issues, I'm putting that one on the club. Especially when Ange said Reguillon was a small doubt to be fit anyway.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Actually it's 31 points from 16 games @ 1.93 PPG. I had counted one of the FA Cup games I think.

Still 1.9 PPG over the Christmas period, without Son, Sarr and Bissouma. Not exactly screaming "found out" to me.

And again, your opinions on good football, team getting better, squad management... entitled to all of those. I'm just not interested in other people's opinions on this at this point. That might change but it won't change whilst we have just played 2 games a week for 2 months in the middle of a brutal injury crisis.
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And then the final 10 of last season (12th in form table, 1.3ppg). Mostly a first choice team available with the odd injury. What's the excuse for that?
 
Silvio Dante said:
And then the final 10 of last season (12th in form table, 1.3ppg). Mostly a first choice team available with the odd injury. What's the excuse for that?
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No excuse. Really had top 4 in the palm of our hands and fluffed it.

My point was to cherry pick data so I can show other cherry pickers that anyone can do it to suit whatever their agenda is. And this first 10 games bollox is just waste.
 
Richard Arlison said:
No excuse. Really had top 4 in the palm of our hands and fluffed it.

My point was to cherry pick data so I can show other cherry pickers that anyone can do it to suit whatever their agenda is. And this first 10 games bollox is just waste.
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OK.
I do think that the injuries are masking a really inadequate tactical approach that wouldn't see us doing a whole lot better anyway. Though it's hard to separate that impact from a crap summer transfer window. We'll see.
 
Silvio Dante said:
OK.
I do think that the injuries are masking a really inadequate tactical approach that wouldn't see us doing a whole lot better anyway. Though it's hard to separate that impact from a crap summer transfer window. We'll see.
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Yeah and I'm not even disputing people's opinions on the tactics or what is good or bad football. I think at it's best Ange ball is the best we've seen for a while and the most able to hang with the best clubs but right now, saying that doesn't go down too well so each to their own opinion.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Yeah and I'm not even disputing people's opinions on the tactics or what is good or bad football. I think at it's best Ange ball is the best we've seen for a while and the most able to hang with the best clubs but right now, saying that doesn't go down too well so each to their own opinion.
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There's been some great highs, I agree. It just seems easy to counteract by even mediocre teams, and it's incredibly vulnerable to changing personnel.

I've pretty much given up hope with Ange, but would love to be be proven wrong.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Yeah and I'm not even disputing people's opinions on the tactics or what is good or bad football. I think at it's best Ange ball is the best we've seen for a while and the most able to hang with the best clubs but right now, saying that doesn't go down too well so each to their own opinion.
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Let me put it another way. Do you believe a manager can be successful in the Premier League playing the same way in every game, against every opponent, and in every tactical situation? Maybe he is not as one dimensional in his approach as he claims to be, but all we have to go on is what he says.
 
Silvio Dante said:
There's been some great highs, I agree. It just seems easy to counteract by even mediocre teams, and it's incredibly vulnerable to changing personnel.

I've pretty much given up hope with Ange, but would love to be be proven wrong.
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Tbh I don't see it with the narrative about being easy to counteract because that tactic of deep block and shithouse is effective against pretty much any system on the right day.

I really agree about personnel though. And it's not just availability, it's form as well. As we saw last year, we don't just need a player with Maddison's skill set but we also need them on top form as well. Same goes for Udogie and Porro, we need them and we also need them winning 1v1 duels at a very high rate. Ange is stubborn and really needs specific personnel for it to work and when it doesn't work, the floor is really painfully low.

I guess the decision is do you give up at a low point and go for a more "flexible" but likely lower ceiling system and coach, or do you have one more push at building the squad to be more rotatable and robust so that absences and losses of form don't fuck everything up.

I get everyone is pining for the days when we were reliably 8-4th every season and a more flexible manager is more likely to get that. I still have this idea that pushing again to add to the squad and make it more robust to Ange's ideas could make us a serious challenger if it means we can maintain the level of the highs.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Tbh I don't see it with the narrative about being easy to counteract because that tactic of deep block and shithouse is effective against pretty much any system on the right day.

I really agree about personnel though. And it's not just availability, it's form as well. As we saw last year, we don't just need a player with Maddison's skill set but we also need them on top form as well. Same goes for Udogie and Porro, we need them and we also need them winning 1v1 duels at a very high rate. Ange is stubborn and really needs specific personnel for it to work and when it doesn't work, the floor is really painfully low.

I guess the decision is do you give up at a low point and go for a more "flexible" but likely lower ceiling system and coach, or do you have one more push at building the squad to be more rotatable and robust so that absences and losses of form don't fuck everything up.

I get everyone is pining for the days when we were reliably 8-4th every season and a more flexible manager is more likely to get that. I still have this idea that pushing again to add to the squad and make it more robust to Ange's ideas could make us a serious challenger if it means we can maintain the level of the highs.
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All I can say is I sort of admire your positivity
 
Richard Arlison said:
I was talking about the 16 games from December to March where we got 2.25 PPG.
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Also knows as "the easiest run of fixtures I have ever seen Spurs have in the Premier League".

Talked about it at length, we played absolutely no one in that run. Once we started playing midtable and above teams, he flatlined. After Villa last season we didn't beat a team that wasn't in the bottom 4.

The reality is he's shit. He's become more shit this season. The injuries are an excuse, we weren't doing good with a healthy squad.
 
Dudski said:
Let me put it another way. Do you believe a manager can be successful in the Premier League playing the same way in every game, against every opponent, and in every tactical situation? Maybe he is not as one dimensional in his approach as he claims to be, but all we have to go on is what he says.
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I don't think we do need to go on what he says and tbh I think what he says has caused some pretty big misunderstandings.

1. Yes I do think a manager can be successful in the PL with a stubbornness to stick with the same principles.

2. No i don't think any manager can be successful in any league playing the same tactics every game but I haven't seen us do that at all. Tbh I've seen way more adjustments from Ange than I ever saw from pragmatic coaches like Conte and Jose. Poch used more formations but he was in the job longer and it can take time to build a structure with a new formation. Some coaches just never change formations at all.
 
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