He said that Spence knocked down last month.
Ignore the evidence if you wish but then again you don't like this manager so I'm not surprised you're disregarding it, anyway you do you.
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He said that Spence knocked down last month.
Ignore the evidence if you wish but then again you don't like this manager so I'm not surprised you're disregarding it, anyway you do you.
Shit on bullshitter.
Mental gymastics.
I find it hilarious that it's gone from Spence not even being included in the Europa squad and being completely ignored for critical games to our extreme detriment, to now "Ange having coached Spence really well." Truly funny.
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You've been Ange in all the way down to 16th.
What a fucking clown you are.
If find it hilarious how fans just ignore blatant evidence of past behaviours about the player purely because they don't like the manager.
If you want to be blind then that's completely on you, no skin of my nose.
Anyway let's just be happy that he's playing now, player has done will to knuckle down and has responded to the manager, a success story that our fans are desperate to find the negative in once again, boring.
It seems pretty obvious Ange played Spence as an absolute last resort, and Reguilon as an even more last resort. For you guys to somehow ascribe this to "good coaching" is just funny. Carry on though- it's your McWorld.
You are so impressively shit at saying anything about football that even the most hardcore Ange out people start questioning themselves when they share an opinion with you.
You've single-handedly done more to more to increase the number of people in the Ange In "cult" than anything I could ever do - if I was even trying to convince others to agree with me, which I'm not.
In fact, at this point you might be the biggest counter signal in the history of sports takes.
I would prefer to read transcripts of Paul Merson's private conversations with his pet potato than read anything you've ever written about Tottenham Hotspur.
Hilarious. Clap on dawg.
I've been more pro-Spence than anyone on this board- just read through the thread from the beginning. I've cared far more about Spence than you ever have. You're just glad to see him succeeding to help reinforce your conviction in Ange-in.
Please tell us more how Ange is an excellent coach. And how we're sitting in 15th. And how Spence is perhaps our best player but Ange in his incredibly genius foresight declined to put him in the Europa squad? I'm sure it was thanks to Ange's great coaching.
Calling it like it is? Sticking up for the Spurs youth whom have been ignored on our bench, and grossly mishandled?
I'm not sure some of you know what it really means to support our youth.
I really dig our youth and I think it will be our youth who get us over the line against the bin dippers on Thursday!
I've always rabidly supported our youth and are always advocating for them. I was very glad to see all of them score on Thursday.
I tried to steer it away from that without making about praising Ange either but the obsession is too strong. It's a shame really because Djed's performances have deserved the conversation being about him.
This meme has got completely out of control. You have no idea what Ange thinks/thought about Spence. So let's try and address facts, eh?
We know Spence was on the verge of being flogged to Genoa last summer. We don't know what happened next but presumably he went to the manager and stated he wanted to try and break into the team. Postecoglou gave him one last chance - one that all of Spence's previous managers except Steve Cooper hadn't.
That is fact. All we know for certain is that Spence was about to flogged for a loss. but ended up staying.
So now he's bottom of the pile. He has to prove himself. Train hard, show willing and fight for his chance.
That chance came against Coventry on 18th September. Came on second half - out of position as LB - and was great. Took his chance. Now he's caught the eye but he's still got a lot to prove. Porro is clearly number 1 RB; Udogie clearly number 1 LB. So it's going to be hard.
He's on the bench for the 3-1 win over Brentford. Fair enough. Still got a long way to go to break into the PL team.
He then gets 45 minutes in the win against United. Replaces Udogie (who is not injured just rested) for the second half and again plays well out of position. He's now trusted by the manager to have PL minutes when we're in good position. And is now an option to rotate in game out of position LB/RB. He has the managers trust. This is going well. He's moving up the squad ladder.
Then its the Brighton game - he almost certainly would have made a sub appearance if we were in control but disaster strikes and we throw away a 0-2 lead. Postecoglou relies on his 1st teamers to get out of the mess they created. Mistake? Probably. Understandable - probably. Most managers don't turn to fringe players to get them out of a jam.
And what happens next? Spence gets a groin injury. He misses 3 games. Back on the bench as an unused sub for Ipswich. Comes on late in the City win to help see it out. This groin injury is a set back. This is what stalled his progress.
The next 3 games is where Postecoglou leaves him on the bench as we suffer a series of disappointing results. This is the one patch of the year where you can legitimately say Postecoglou made a mistake. But considering Spence started at the bottom of the pile he wasn't getting ahead of Porro and Udogie who were NOT INJURED and we desperately needed results and under pressure managers rely on what they know has worked for them. But, yes, feel free to have a crack at Postecoglou for this stretch of games.
But Djed keeps going. Doesn't drop his head. Finally gets his chance when he starts against Southampton. He's great.
And hasn't missed a game since EXCEPT for the Wolves game where he was suspended. The Wolves game was where Udogie did his hamstring. Spence couldn't have played because he was suspended.
And since then he's played every game hes been available for and has now proved himself beyond doubt.
Those are the facts. If you look at them and still want to continue this fantasy that Postecoglou never gave him a chance or never believed in him then I'd suggest you are exhibiting "cult like" behaviour.
In this shitty clusterfuck of a season the one good thing - one feel good story - has been Djed Spence turning his career around with the help of the manager who gave him a chance.
Oh - and the REAL MISTAKE Postecoglou made wasn't in not believing in Spence (he clearly did as shown above) it was NOT BELIEVING in Brandon Austin. If he did then Spence gets in the EL squad over Forster and the whole process outlined above would have been accelerated.
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Ange doesn't know his Lankshear to Ajayi.. because he doesn't train the players "that much" - he aint got no clue on who can play or can't play. he rely on his dodgy assistants. he rely on his intern physios and unqualified fitness-conditioners.
In a nut shell - he's making it out as he goes, He's only playing Jed Spence when he ran out of first XI players = no choice.
What part of that is not true?
From basically not playing at all before to now playing regularly.... I'd say that WAS a major turnaround, no?