Manager Ange Postecoglou

[Go on son]

Why is it proven that the squad will never be fit? It’s not proven, that’s just fucking stupid.

It doesn’t matter how good the coach is when you have seven first team players missing and rubbish depth. You are going to lose games regardless. A lot. A good coach cannot salvage a lack of quality, experience and bench options on the pitch. Sure, with shit players you can transition to a defensive mindset and look more structurally organised and “better coached” but you still won’t win anything and once you’ve instilled that in the players you will never weed it out. It is a guarantee of perpetual mediocrity.

Success isn’t just who the manager is, it’s a holistic enterprise involving manager, players, owners, culture and to lesser extent assistant coaches etc. You take one cog out of the wheel and the whole thing falls apart. That is just the reality of elite sport. The current state of Spurs crisis is simply injuries.

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In what way is it stupid?? Injuries at Celtic esp hamstring injuries went through the roof. They adapted due to simply the weakness of the league. Easy rotate players can rest.
So last year we had a massive amount of injuries. Players bodies adapting we were told. 2nd half of season youll see them improve.
2nd season theyll be flying we were told. Its now worse than ever.
So it is in fact proven

 

[Murphy]

Ooooh suddenly it’s the players fault not the manager. You must confess then that league position doesn’t quantify managerial ability. On that basis one can argue that Ange having made the league cup semi and sitting currently 5th in Europa that he is a raging success. How many league cup semis has Esperito or the guy from Bournemouth made?

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You seem really fun. I can see when you joined, so it’s fair to say you are more in the Ange fan side than Spurs fan, which explains a lot.

Our league position is a combination of poor fortune, poor tactics and poor effort. It’s not one specific thing. It’s a cocktail of circumstances.

You asked a specific question relating to Ten Hag, and Howe. On the basis of silverware, Ten Hag has been more successful, and I’d argue the better manager.

 

[Go on son]

Ah that’s different, your opinion is that you don’t rate the system based on your own amateur coaching. You are entitled to that opinion of course.

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Love you trying to be smart doesnt suit you.
I dont rate the system because we're fighting relegation ,out of league cup with a whimper. Minimum chance of going anywhere in fa cup.

 

[Kiro Kompiro]

In what way is it stupid?? Injuries at Celtic esp hamstring injuries went through the roof. They adapted due to simply the weakness of the league. Easy rotate players can rest.
So last year we had a massive amount of injuries. Players bodies adapting we were told. 2nd half of season youll see them improve.
2nd season theyll be flying we were told. Its now worse than ever.
So it is in fact proven

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In a recent presser he literally says training has been low intensity that even the journo could do it. Are these players made of glass?

 

[Richard Arlison]

Love you trying to be smart doesnt suit you.
I dont rate the system because we're fighting relegation ,out of league cup with a whimper. Minimum chance of going anywhere in fa cup.

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I’m not trying to be smart, I was just understanding exactly what you were saying.

Now you are moving the goal posts to say the system is flawed because of results.

If you move the goal posts and change your rationale as often as that when you coach, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out most of your players are very confused a lot of the time, no matter how incredible the level you coach is.

What’s GAA btw?

 

[Matt1882]

You seem really fun. I can see when you joined, so it’s fair to say you are more in the Ange fan side than Spurs fan, which explains a lot.

Our league position is a combination of poor fortune, poor tactics and poor effort. It’s not one specific thing. It’s a cocktail of circumstances.

You asked a specific question relating to Ten Hag, and Howe. On the basis of silverware, Ten Hag has been more successful, and I’d argue the better manager.

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He's not even pretending to be a spurs fan as he repeated says "you" instead of "we" or even "spurs"
Reported.

 

[Go on son]

And he has coached in the Club World Cup, at the WC, won the Asian Cup. I think his experience probably trumps pretty much all of ours...

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never said it didnt. A poster implied that i didnt know what i was talking about ref coaching while i just implied i had done a bit of it. Doesnt matter what level you are still dealing with players.
Ours for this level look badly coached and managed for a manager that has managed at all those tournaments

 

[Who]

The guy won everything there was to win locally, then managed at the World Cup in 2014, he then won the Asian Cup (beating Son's Sth Korea in the final watched by 83,000 spectators a home tournament that 700,000 fans attended and millions watched on TV) Then managed a World Cup Campaign, Aussie rules had one of their coaches Sam Mitchell come to Tottenham last season to learn how he does thing and how we do things. But no-one knows he is? Gimme a break.

It clearly hasn't worked for him here, it didn't work for Conte, Mauronho, Nuno. All shit managers right?

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different set of circumstances for Jose and Mr Conte. They did not have what was required except for Harry Kane. You must watch Aussie soccer... winning there, is that enough ? Asian cup ? since 1974 australia could not qualify for the wc losing qualifiers to scotland, Israel, new zealand (not necessarily in that order) and then the 5th placed South American teams until second try with Uruguay. the route through asia was pushed and negotiated by business people similar to who are at Spurs now, pushy business types in it for money? so people watched something of local interest on television. People will watch anything if it's free to air, even women's cricket. You have said it before, it's who they are signed up with that seems to have got it through. I guess it is down to Munn?

 

[Go on son]

In a recent presser he literally says training has been low intensity that even the journo could do it. Are these players made of glass?

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i never said training wasnt low intensity. Now.
And yes they possibly are. As ive said before maybe players getting a knock and are declaring themselves injured because they dont want to play. Hearsay obviously but wouldnt rule anything out with our players

 

[Richard Arlison]

never said it didnt. A poster implied that i didnt know what i was talking about ref coaching while i just implied i had done a bit of it. Doesnt matter what level you are still dealing with players.
Ours for this level look badly coached and managed for a manager that has managed at all those tournaments

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Nope you implied that you did know what you are talking about because you’ve done some amateur coaching.

All of the best coaches I know, and I’m talking coaches who are elite pros in their sport, every single one of them will blame the coach last if they don’t know the details of what they are dealing with.

From my experience, it’s only amateurs who think they know better than another coach and proceed to tell the world that they do.

 

[1chriswaddle]

Part of me just wants this madness to get worse just to see who doubles down regardless.
A thumping tomorrow would be a moment. Going from "we're in 3 cups" to just the ropey league and fcuk all chance of that despite the ridiculous bookie odds should shut a few up.

We need to stop playing Suicideball ASAP. It's not about "waah who do we get in"
It's about getting him out.
Vanilla boring plain old Mason will do to steady the ship and mostly importantly, let the players heal.

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Totally agree with Matt here…. at this point in time it’s not about who comes next. It is 100% about getting this useless fraud out of our club.

 

[Go on son]

Nope you implied that you did know what you are talking about because you’ve done some amateur coaching.

All of the best coaches I know, and I’m talking coaches who are elite pros in their sport, every single one of them will blame the coach last if they don’t know the details of what they are dealing with.

From my experience, it’s only amateurs who think they know better than another coach and proceed to tell the world that they do.

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Where did i say i knew more?? Now youre saying you are experienced in the matter?? Youre holier than thou attitude doesnt work when yesterday you call vdv a pussy for being injured and to decide if his leg is better. Then continue the tirade saying fuck the manager and fuck the players. Now youre back defending the manager today. Which is it?
Because it seems like other posters are calling you out on it now

 

[Richard Arlison]

Where did i say i knew more?? Now youre saying you are experienced in the matter?? Youre holier than thou attitude doesnt work when yesterday you call vdv a pussy for being injured and to decide if his leg is better. Then continue the tirade saying fuck the manager and fuck the players. Now youre back defending the manager today. Which is it?
Because it seems like other posters are calling you out on it now

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I’m not holier than thou. I was acting the cunt after a shit result.

I didn’t defend Ange for that Liverpool performance. That was unforgivable for everyone involved in the club.

You are just giving it the big one about your coaching experience making your ability to judge a professional coach legit, and I called you out for it.

You were chatting shit mate. It’s ok, everyone on here does it. Just own it.

 

[enfield1985]

Where did i say i knew more?? Now youre saying you are experienced in the matter?? Youre holier than thou attitude doesnt work when yesterday you call vdv a pussy for being injured and to decide if his leg is better. Then continue the tirade saying fuck the manager and fuck the players. Now youre back defending the manager today. Which is it?
Because it seems like other posters are calling you out on it now

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Don’t bother he needs deprogramming if he is a Spurs Fan. I am seriously suspicious if he did not seem to spend most of his time in this thread.

Especially since his username is derided from an Everton fans joke of selling a coach to the Champions League final. He also derides Poch and Harry, saying they never win anything, acting like what they achieved here was shit.

I assume he will be gone next summer when Richarlison is gone.

 

[Nuts]

So you were ok till the injuries happened, and since the injuries happened you’ve concluded that he broke you and that he is utterly out of his depth? Why don’t you just despair at the injury crises rather than Ange? If Ange is a pilot, and the plane crashes because the wing falls off, do you rage at the pilot?

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I do if he's pranged it on the way out of the hangar and flown it anyway.

 

[Aphex]

Can I just ask who, exactly, you're referring to?

Which players were better under Conte than they have been under Ange?

I'm not necessarily disputing your thesis but I can't really think of an example - even Son was vastly better last year than he was the season before under Conte (he was playing injured for Conte tbf)

Or have I got this wrong and the previous regime doesn't even factor into the equation?

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Bentancur was far better under Conte than he ever has been under Ange. Romero too

 

[Jaynola]

We win, it's cause his system is genius and the players executed.

We lose, it's cause they're shit and didn't play the way he planned.

Cunt. Fuck off to the Maltese or Icelandic league, where you belong...just.

 

[enfield1985]

We win, it's cause his system is genius and the players executed.

We lose, it's cause they're shit and didn't play the way he planned.

Cunt. Fuck off to the Maltese or Icelandic league, where you belong...just.

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His acolytes will always defend him.

 

[Aphex]

No idea why people engage with that Rusty fella. He posts through the night so he’s clearly in Oz. He isn’t a Spurs fan, he keeps saying “you” and “your”. He is clearly a fucking Ange fan and he comes in here gaslighting proper Spurs fans that it’s the club and circumstances which is why we are shit rather than his daddy Ange. Embarrassing.

Some of us have watched football and Spurs for decades and we know a chancer charlatan fraud when we see one.

Ange is the worst Spurs manager in history. Nobody is going to tell us otherwise.

 

[daveyboy88]

Ange is the worst Spurs manager in history.

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hes the worst manager in premier league history and its not even close, we have stained the league with this clown.