So, if it is more comfortable for your agenda, then injuries do not matter I see?
Alright! So what do you say about our current position in the league
? Ange real level ?
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So, if it is more comfortable for your agenda, then injuries do not matter I see?
Alright! So what do you say about our current position in the league
? Ange real level ?ABSOLUTELY NO ONE EXPECTS ANGE TO TOP THE LEAGUE with those injuries.
No one. Nowhere.
I counter your question - do you think that Liverpool with those injuries would be as low as 14th in the table under Slot
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As a counterweight to the injury pieces I posted, here is a thread talking about the potential inherent injury issues with Ange’s high intensity methods:
View: https://x.com/meiaarmador__/status/1888727209101406542?s=46&t=IomICbZIqZC4FsH907qgfw
View: https://x.com/meiaarmador__/status/1888727209101406542?s=46&t=IomICbZIqZC4FsH907qgfw
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what if? Arne Slot joined Liverpool. They are top of the League, Top of Champions League etc The facts are there for all to see.
You say Newcastle “crashed and burned” they came 7th just 6 points behind us a team who played like 41 games in total last season …
I don’t think anyone would have massive problems with ange if we were around 7-9th dealing with injuries and if our form hadn’t been bang on Lower mid table for over a year now.
Also at what point are you guys going to stop using injuries as an excuse. We’ve been in an “injury crisis” since Chelsea in November 23 apparently, are we going to just continue giving him a pass indefinitely. A manager that needs his full first 11 to get results just isnt very good. Modern football requires adaptability and finding solutions to problems with heavy schedules, wether that be through training methods or tactical adjustments, ange has proven he’s not capable of consistently getting results at this level.
Not enough for me to just say more sprints = more injuries. If you don't press then you end up spending more time out of possession and run more KMs chasing the ball.
The question is not about how many sprints IMO, it's about why the player's bodies haven't adjusted to running more sprints and more importantly why haven't we been able to keep the ball as much and control games more so we don't have to press as much.
How many are muscle injuries because of the way we play? - Because players have to sprint back 60 yard constantly - The injuries are a result of Ange’s playing style …
We don’t have the squad depth to play Ange ball and never will under Levy. He’s not a good fit for us.
See below from a member of the medical team at Celtic under Ange - We are not the Celtic of the EPL.
Ange Postecoglou: Is Tottenham manager's style causing Spurs injury crisis?
Sports scientist Anton McElhone has worked closely with Ange Postecoglou at Celtic and speaks to BBC Sport about his methods.
www.bbc.com
Why are Spurs getting so many injuries?
"At Celtic after six months Postecoglou could rotate the front five at 65 or 65 minutes to keep the freshness for the 60-game season," reflected McElhone."At Tottenham he's probably found that a lot more difficult because I don't think the strength in depth is the same as other Premier League clubs like Manchester City and Chelsea.
"Look at the evolution at Celtic under
Postecoglou, we had a three-month period of sustaining injuries every week, mostly hamstring injuries.”
"As the players adapted to the demands of the system, the game fluctuation changed rather than that constant 'basketball' up and down the pitch, the team was able to control one half of the pitch more. So that stopped the centre-backs having to run in behind as often.
"As the game model and philosophy settled, that reduced injuries.
"At the moment, that is the problem at Tottenham. He has not got the squad.
So, if it is more comfortable for your agenda, then injuries do not matter I see?
Alright! So what do you say about our current position in the league
Ange is doing terribly - Does it change the fact that losing the players had a hugely significant effect on our PPG
Like with all things, there are some truths, some exaggerations and some flat out rubbish. I found it a good read, but I still can't excuse the horrible form with a fit squad.Aussie media report FYI
‘Laughing stock’... or ‘village idiots’ who can’t hack an Aussie? Making sense of Ange ‘agenda’ claim
Laughing stock... or ‘village idiots’ who can’t hack an Aussie? Making sense of Ange ‘agenda’ claimwww.foxsports.com.au
lol this sums up the thread. Ignore all context and assume everything is black or white.
14th in the league? Sack the manager. 10 injured players for 3 months? Who cares
they didn't do well in Europe. They were exposed by teams better than St Mirren, Hibs, St Johnstone etcHow many are muscle injuries because of the way we play? - Because players have to sprint back 60 yard constantly - The injuries are a result of Ange’s playing style …
We don’t have the squad depth to play Ange ball and never will under Levy. He’s not a good fit for us.
See below from a member of the medical team at Celtic under Ange - We are not the Celtic of the EPL.
Ange Postecoglou: Is Tottenham manager's style causing Spurs injury crisis?
Sports scientist Anton McElhone has worked closely with Ange Postecoglou at Celtic and speaks to BBC Sport about his methods.
Why are Spurs getting so many injuries?
"At Celtic after six months Postecoglou could rotate the front five at 65 or 65 minutes to keep the freshness for the 60-game season," reflected McElhone.
"At Tottenham he's probably found that a lot more difficult because I don't think the strength in depth is the same as other Premier League clubs like Manchester City and Chelsea.
"Look at the evolution at Celtic under
Postecoglou, we had a three-month period of sustaining injuries every week, mostly hamstring injuries.”
"As the players adapted to the demands of the system, the game fluctuation changed rather than that constant 'basketball' up and down the pitch, the team was able to control one half of the pitch more. So that stopped the centre-backs having to run in behind as often.
"As the game model and philosophy settled, that reduced injuries.
"At the moment, that is the problem at Tottenham. He has not got the squad.
Until the injury crisis is over and we see how he gets on with his players back! I know we'll always have injuries but a more managable scenario where we are missing 3 or 4 players instead of 10+ would be a fair assessment.
"A manager that needs his full first 11 to get results just isnt very good.". I completely agree on this but if he was only missing 2 or 3 players then no excuses but to be missing 10+ is insane. No manager can get regular results if they are missing 10+ players and have a game every 3 days. He could have done better but not much better!
Also on the Newcastle example. I wouldn't be surprised if we still finish 9th or 10th if we get 5 or 6 players back soon. Newcastle were out of Europe before christmas so could finish the league strong once they got some players back. We could do the same but hopefully keep our Europa run going too
exactly. It is black and white. The injured players.. you can see it how you like. I know what I see and I don't have to like it.
Yeah, it’s complex for sure. And bottom line, even if it’s categorically proven that it’s Ange’s Methods contributing to the injury crisis, you still have to decide whether you think it’s a price worth paying (and you just try to recruit accordingly) because you want to watch aggressive, high energy football, and/or you hope Ange learns to adjust a little (like Klopp did) or you don’t.
It’s also interesting that Brighton and Bournemouth are also suffering high injuries, as these are also teams applying differing but aggressive high energy methods.
why do you care about this guy so much? It cannot be the results or dare I say it ..his personality?
Context? The bad form didnt start in December. It started last February/March. 12 months ago almost to the day we lost at home to Wolves 2-1 and despite winning the next 2 its been dreadful ever since.
We had a fully fit squad for around 25 of our last 38 league games and yet we've lost 20 of them, getting a mighty 46 pts in the process. Thats worse than pretty much any Tottenham manager in living memory. Its clear the more time he has had the worse we have got.
The journalists will get bored that he hasn’t been sacked yet and will finally start goading him into saying things about the owners. Only then will he really get his marching orders. It is pretty quiet in the Premier League at the moment so their editors will be desperate. The stories and Ange getting sacked is quite a big one. They will be under pressure to make him say something.
Thats fine mate. Horses for courses and some days after defeats I'm emotional and I just want to rip it all up and start again.
But my theory is we can't judge where we are at until this insane period is over and we are back to near enough a full squad!
How many are muscle injuries because of the way we play? - Because players have to sprint back 60 yard constantly - The injuries are a result of Ange’s playing style …
We don’t have the squad depth to play Ange ball and never will under Levy. He’s not a good fit for us.
See below from a member of the medical team at Celtic under Ange - We are not the Celtic of the EPL.
Ange Postecoglou: Is Tottenham manager's style causing Spurs injury crisis?
Sports scientist Anton McElhone has worked closely with Ange Postecoglou at Celtic and speaks to BBC Sport about his methods.
Why are Spurs getting so many injuries?
"At Celtic after six months Postecoglou could rotate the front five at 65 or 65 minutes to keep the freshness for the 60-game season," reflected McElhone.
"At Tottenham he's probably found that a lot more difficult because I don't think the strength in depth is the same as other Premier League clubs like Manchester City and Chelsea.
"Look at the evolution at Celtic under
Postecoglou, we had a three-month period of sustaining injuries every week, mostly hamstring injuries.”
"As the players adapted to the demands of the system, the game fluctuation changed rather than that constant 'basketball' up and down the pitch, the team was able to control one half of the pitch more. So that stopped the centre-backs having to run in behind as often.
"As the game model and philosophy settled, that reduced injuries.
"At the moment, that is the problem at Tottenham. He has not got the squad.
Ange is simply not going to move away from his philosophy of attacking football. Players will eventually come back and with the team now only competing in league games and Europa come end of February, injuries will no longer be an excuse and wins must be demanded of him.
Your talking absolute nonsense.... Dropping points to the worst teams in the league as frequent as we have is horrendous from top to bottom.
Losing to Ipswich, Everton, palace, Leicester then dropping points more points to wolves and Leicester alone is 16 points.....guess where we would be if we had these 16 points.......4th.
Half of these games we had next to fully squads....you don't get these easy points dropped back it's not rocket science