Bloody stupid if this is a current session
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It's not - neither stupid nor a current session. It was posted on 28th Jan.
perhaps a change of coach is in order to save Mickeys hamstrings
Seriously? 28th Jan it was posted, 2days before his 45minutes against Elfsborg, which clearly aggravated his present condition.
And the Athletic put out a story saying VDV was pushing himself to play the Leicester game before Elfsborg. He had trained for a full week before Elfsborg. That's before we even take into account the work he'd put in with the sports science team to be ready to return to training.
In your head is there a world where a player who isn't 100% after a repeat hamstring is in full training with the squad?
Looks like he hurts himself then too. It’s our fucking coaching isn’t it? It just isn’t professional enough. That’s what happens when you give no mark people with little experience roles at PL clubs. It’s mad.
Two weeks ago, and he’s taking that risk,bloody stupid after his problems. Have you noticed he’s not playing? Wonder why
Of course, but, nuance tells you this was a moment Mickey should have been told not to sprint from standing and change body position quickly (sliding dive block here, shown in video evidence). Certainly Mason high fiving him for doing it, suggests the utter opposite was true.
This last page or so of discussion just reeks of people looking for anything to be outraged by.
If he's been cleared to return to training, and to play in matches, then the coaching staff shouldn't be slaughtered for having him perform actions that are likely to be required in a match.
If he can't be doing these things in training then he can't be starting matches.
As for him being injured now, we don't have enough (or any) information on what the issue is to be in a position to apportion blame. For all we know he dropped a jam jar on his foot whilst making breakfast and did a metatarsal...
If he's been cleared to return to training, and to play in matches, then the coaching staff shouldn't be slaughtered for having him perform actions that are likely to be required in a match.
If he can't be doing these things in training then he can't be starting matches.
As for him being injured now, we don't have enough (or any) information on what the issue is to be in a position to apportion blame. For all we know he dropped a jam jar on his foot whilst making breakfast and did a metatarsal...
Nuance means you have almost all the information available and you can assess that information to judge the subtle differences.
You are watching a 60 second clip and making wild assumptions
If he was passed fit to play 45 minutes against Elfsborg (which he undeniably was) then surely he needed to be tested for full match fitness ahead of the game. If that had been his first touch of the ball in the match I can only begin to imagine the outcry that would have followed. If the 45 minutes did aggrevate his present condition (which has never, to my knowledge, been confirmed) then it was surely overall match readiness that was the problem rather than that one movement in traing and questions should be asked of the medical staff who passed him fit in that case. But we will never know.
I think it should be seen as an emergency measure rather than a fixture of the system.
In calling upon it so frequently, and as a key part of the system, you're putting more physical pressure on the player, which seems to lead to more frequent injury, and also with no like for like back up, putting yourself in a difficult position for the periods of time that he's unavailable.
You build systems around the strengths of your players and recruit players that compliment and add to the system.
It’s just very basic logic.
Agree to disagree. Said from the outset that watching him do that made me wince.
They hardly attacked us, so he didn’t need to sprint any high level amount and it strongly suggests he was never really right (might be due to Mickey saying he was fine).
The change in medical team recently red flags that internally huge concerns are being analysed.
Fresh opinions are being sought out, fresh methods, whether we are offering the £ to get world class candidates with elite proven track records in high intensity recovery, time will tell.
Medical team changes started in the summer. Those recent job adverts were planned additions
Seems more basic logic to build a system that doesn't throw all of your eggs in one very unsustainable basket to me...
Nobody is suggesting he should never use this asset, but making it such a feature of the "system" is foolish in the extreme. You can deny this, but the proof is in the pudding.
Not sure, if true it wreaks of Levy tightness, what elite world wide sports brand make planned additions part way through a season?
Surely a support team, for a squad you pay hundreds of millions for and to, must be in place from the start of closed season (or near as possible, so they familiarise themselves to the players baselines, to their historical loads, their personalities etc). Surely the highest end candidates are in post during a season also. Maybe the posts were to start from this closed season, but again, why not for this one we’re in, from last summer (makes no sense).
Literally Pep bought and used Walker at City for years as his sprint safety valve. The greatest coach of all time basically relying on someone’s sprinting power as a key part of his system.
Surely you try and get the best possible candidate regardless of timing? If you have to wait so be it.
90days is a standard for some notice periods, though I would have thought several elite medics are on 1-2year contracts, so must run summer to summer.
It does make me wonder why we haven’t employed any sprint based coaches (athletic/sports/recovery/physio/medical) of the highest renown, like this guy as a consultant (to help players formulate their gym routines, coaches their scheduling methodology etc) :
Hamstring Injury Prevention: Elite Coach Cast Part II; Henk Kraaijenhof
We’ll finish out this series on hamstring injury prevention with Henk’s take on hamstring injury prevention. A must read for all strength and speed professionals.
www.just-fly-sports.com
Henk Kraaijenhof coaching credentials include Nelli Cooman, Merlene Ottey, Troy Douglas and Tennis star Mary Pierce. His specialties are the physical and mental coaching, in particular stress and stress management and the methodology or training. When you consider both Ottey and Douglas ran world class times in their 40’s, something is working.
Given 1 injury to VanDerVen (or Odobert) probably costs several league places, that’s £10m so you can get elite staff a plenty for that money (and protect outrageously valuable assets better across the board).