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PerthPaul said:
I have an opinion that's very unpopular on here, in that from a business perspective we owe a lot to Levy.
Purely from a business standpoint, since he took over we've become the 9th richest club in the world, have one of the best stadiums in the world, and have world class training facilities.
Most importantly though he's built a self sustainable business model. We don't want to be bought out by a sugar Daddy who then tires of us and leaves us in the position Sir Jim Ratcliffe is in now.
When Levy goes (which I believe he should, as he's taken us as far as he can in footballing terms) I hope he gets the recognition he deserves instead of a wall of hate. It could be argued that the high standards we are expecting now are in part because of his ownership.

Not the point of my reply though....

It's a real shame that dedicated fans like yourself feel the way you do, I totally understand it. The limit of my investment has been getting up at 3am to watch games and being exhausted at work, then wondering why I do it!
But for the ST holders, especially those that travel to away games, you're the true fans that have made the biggest sacrifice this season.

You know now and again when a team puts a shocking performance on during a game, and the club refund the tickets....I do feel like there should be financial reparations for fans like yourself. It'll never happen in a million years, but Levy needs to acknowledge that the financial outlay of stakeholders hasn't been met with a satisfactory product, then in a business sense, there should be some form of compensation.

Unfortunately we know It'll never happen...but good on you for your dedication this season, and I hope we get a decent manager in that renews your faith in the club.
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And it's people like you that enable the leech to continue.
What good is being 9th richest club when your trophy cabinet is empty .
Lots of business people out there could have done what leech has done but it's bloody difficult to create a successful football club.
9th richest
Shiny stadium
Training ground

Now put up something that lhe leech has done for THFC (clue is in the name Football)
 
Dark Shadow said:
And it's people like you that enable the leech to continue.
What good is being 9th richest club when your trophy cabinet is empty .
Lots of business people out there could have done what leech has done but it's bloody difficult to create a successful football club.
9th richest
Shiny stadium
Training ground

Now put up something that lhe leech has done for THFC (clue is in the name Football)
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How exactly am I enabling him? Does he read my posts and decide not to spend money based on my opinion?

I challenge you to make a case that we are not in a better place now than when he took over (not including our obvious embarrassment of a league standing)

My whole point was based on a business model, not as a football team. We have a world class stadium and facilities and a
self sufficient business model.
All that means that if Levy pulled the pin tomorrow the club can sustain itself. Not spiral down the financial crisis route that so many other teams have.

In footballing terms, in the 24 years since Levy has taken over, we've finished in the top 9 20 times, compared to 10 times in the previous 24 years.

It's true that we won 4 domestic trophies in the 24 years prior to ENIC, compared to one trophy since.

So it's clear to see that we're a bigger, richer, more stable club that consistently finishes in higher league positions since ENIC took over.

But we've won 3 less trophies in the same time period, I guess it depends what you value more.
 
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Dark Shadow said:
What good is being 9th richest club when your trophy cabinet is empty .
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this a hundred times over

maybe PerthPaul will be there celebrating when Levy lifts the Navy-Blue-and-White-ribboned set of Reports and Accounts

There's so much money in the PL these days for anyone that isn't still in the Champo 3 years after relegation. Just being solvent really is the lowest of bars.
 
White Van Jan said:
this a hundred times over

maybe PerthPaul will be there celebrating when Levy lifts the Navy-Blue-and-White-ribboned set of Reports and Accounts

There's so much money in the PL these days for anyone that isn't still in the Champo 3 years after relegation. Just being solvent really is the lowest of bars.
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The thing some fans need to remember, is that football is a business, as much as you hate that fact, the money involved now means that it's easy to become financially unstable if the club is not run properly.

My point that I've stated over and over and over again is that we ARE in a much better place than we were when ENIC took control. I challenge anyone to counter that without mentioning our trophy cabinet.

I've also stated time and time and time again that I also believe now that Levy has built strong foundations for the club, maybe now is the time for him to step aside and allow someone else to take control.

But it would be disgusting if Levy wasn't remembered for the progress he has made for the club. You only have to look at the red half of Manchester to see what real mismanagement does and the measures Sir Jim Ratcliff is having to take.
 
Silvio Dante said:
We are never nailed on to win anything. This is just going to be another lesson in Spurs-related misery. The CL final in 2019 broke most of us I think.

I'll be ecstatic if we win the EL but I'm not even going to get close to feeling hopeful unless we're at least 5 up in injury time in a final
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I think we get to the final, and lose quite comfortably to Athletic. 2-0 or 3-1 .

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guyt2030 said:
Do you remember/got the Membership Packs??? I totally forgot about them & how I used to look forward to getting my 'member only' scarves, keyrings & those booklets with new players & history books with cool shit...

You've been doing this longer than I have & if you also think it this is the worst season IM NOT CRAZY!!!

Remember when we had :-
  • Berbatov
  • Dembélé
  • Bale
  • Modric
  • VDV the OG Raffa
  • Keane
  • Dafoe
  • Trippier
  • Walker
  • Kane
Spurs were always known for being able to get some great talents! I mean we aren't even going that far back either are we - I'm sitting here thinking yknow Solanke really aint that good for £60m+, Bergvall aint no Dele & we can't even pass forward properly from the midfield...I've seen a massive regression in even players like Biss he used to be a baller & now if I see him on the pitch I know he's gonna fukk it up...

Fukk this negativity...WE ARE GONNA WIN THIS - WE HAVE TO WIN THIS - I DO BELIEVE WE CAN WIN THIS!!!

I'm not even joking we can!!!

COYS!!!
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Although I went to my first game in the late 60s and remember the relegation season, I still don't remember it being this bad in respect of the spirit of the team. The first half of the 80s was special - that was a great team with special players.
I have to admit this is the worst in terms of feeling disconnected with the Club, just feel we're customers to be fleeced.
 
PerthPaul said:
The thing some fans need to remember, is that football is a business, as much as you hate that fact, the money involved now means that it's easy to become financially unstable if the club is not run properly.

My point that I've stated over and over and over again is that we ARE in a much better place than we were when ENIC took control. I challenge anyone to counter that without mentioning our trophy cabinet.

I've also stated time and time and time again that I also believe now that Levy has built strong foundations for the club, maybe now is the time for him to step aside and allow someone else to take control.

But it would be disgusting if Levy wasn't remembered for the progress he has made for the club. You only have to look at the red half of Manchester to see what real mismanagement does and the measures Sir Jim Ratcliff is having to take.
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Had Mr. Levy confined himself to the business areas he would be seen much more favorably. But he interjects himself into negotiations as opposed to setting a budget and leaving player and manager decisions to professionals. We're left with a business that is run professionally and a football team run erratically.
 
PerthPaul said:
The thing some fans need to remember, is that football is a business, as much as you hate that fact, the money involved now means that it's easy to become financially unstable if the club is not run properly.

My point that I've stated over and over and over again is that we ARE in a much better place than we were when ENIC took control. I challenge anyone to counter that without mentioning our trophy cabinet.

I've also stated time and time and time again that I also believe now that Levy has built strong foundations for the club, maybe now is the time for him to step aside and allow someone else to take control.

But it would be disgusting if Levy wasn't remembered for the progress he has made for the club. You only have to look at the red half of Manchester to see what real mismanagement does and the measures Sir Jim Ratcliff is having to take.
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So we can accept a challenge but can't use certain parameters which blow your argument completely out the water...In my opinion, and it is only my opinion... we are no better off on the field than we were 25 years ago under Sugar. Our average finishing position might be a bit higher and we've also had a few runs in the Champions League... off the field our turnover has grown considerably and made our investors super rich, but then revenues for every other Premier League club have grown at the same rate. This is not down to Levy this is down to the global marketing of the Premier League. Levy is a cunt and he will be remembered that way. He will hopefully make a two man list of most hated cunts to ever have anything to do with Spurs... we all know who the second person on that list is...
 
Dudski said:
Had Mr. Levy confined himself to the business areas he would be seen much more favorably. But he interjects himself into negotiations as opposed to setting a budget and leaving player and manager decisions to professionals. We're left with a business that is run professionally and a football team run erratically.
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I'm in total agreement there. For the business we couldn't ask for anyone better, for the footballing side we couldn't get much worse!
 
_mehstg said:
So we can accept a challenge but can't use certain parameters which blow your argument completely out the water...In my opinion, and it is only my opinion... we are no better off on the field than we were 25 years ago under Sugar. Our average finishing position might be a bit higher and we've also had a few runs in the Champions League... off the field our turnover has grown considerably and made our investors super rich, but then revenues for every other Premier League club have grown at the same rate. This is not down to Levy this is down to the global marketing of the Premier League. Levy is a cunt and he will be remembered that way. He will hopefully make a two man list of most hated cunts to ever have anything to do with Spurs... we all know who the second person on that list is...
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My argument was off the field, not on it. So every premier league club has done as well as us? Where are Blackburn? Leeds? Oldham? How are Manchester United's finances?
Just because money increases, it doesn't automatically mean you have financial stability. Wages are higher, transfer fees, energy costs, security, the list goes on.
However, during that time, Levy successfully got us through Covid while building the most expensive stadium in Europe. Our average league position has increased by 6 places per year and we have a club that can sustain itself, unlike a lot of clubs.
Yet Levy is the enemy because fans dont care about all of that, they just want a trophy, but we've been on the brink so many times. 12 semi finals and 5 finals under Levy, at that point you could argue it's completely out of Levy's hands. I'm not sure what he can do now to get us through the Bodo game....maybe he should have bought Mbappé in January hey.....

You missed Sol Campbell off your list btw.
 
PerthPaul said:
My argument was off the field, not on it. So every premier league club has done as well as us? Where are Blackburn? Leeds? Oldham? How are Manchester United's finances?
Just because money increases, it doesn't automatically mean you have financial stability. Wages are higher, transfer fees, energy costs, security, the list goes on.
However, during that time, Levy successfully got us through Covid while building the most expensive stadium in Europe. Our average league position has increased by 6 places per year and we have a club that can sustain itself, unlike a lot of clubs.
Yet Levy is the enemy because fans dont care about all of that, they just want a trophy, but we've been on the brink so many times. 12 semi finals and 5 finals under Levy, at that point you could argue it's completely out of Levy's hands. I'm not sure what he can do now to get us through the Bodo game....maybe he should have bought Mbappé in January hey.....

You missed Sol Campbell off your list btw.
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I get your argument but you can't seriously include Blackburn, Leeds and Oldham... I could hit back with Man City who at the start of Levy's reign had a fraction of the revenue we were producing but now they are well clear of us... but of course they were financially doped so let's use Villa... they are now 18th highest revenue-generating club globally, their highest mark for nearly 30 years so as a percentage vs Spurs they are light years ahead of us... I know what your next argument will be "they are going to fail FFP" and this is exactly what Levy was banking on but FFP is toothless and so is UEFA's version. The real story here is that Villa's owners are investing heavily and showing ambition

BTW - he was the second person on the list... I wasn't referring to you... far from it, I enjoy the debate... but our miserable silverware return in the last 25 years sits firmly on one man's shoulders... he is accountable and that is why he is hated by the majority now and will be hated long after he's gone. There will likely be a party when he fucks off.
 
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