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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Jaynola said:
Qarabag, Ferencvaros, AZ x 3, Hoffenheim, Elfsborg, Bodo = enough said.

Even Roma, Galatasaray and Marmoush-less Frankfurt (who also lost Gotze for a chunk) were hardly PSG...knowing Galatasaray sodomised us and we were lucky not to also lose to Roma.

As for United, I mean...Still, they coulda/shoulda scored at least once last night and might have been a different story had the game gone to ET.

We won it and that's grand. I'll give Ange a couple creds, ditto the players. But unlike you I'm not gonna fool myself into thinking we were Brazil v1970.

To be honest you've been switching sides & opinions more often than a full-time prosie turns tricks, so your takes since EL glory are no surprise.
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We won EL and deserved to .
It's not an easy thing to do.
None of the English teams going into it next year will be given more than a 20% chance of winning it - that's the nature of cup football.

Have we been utter dog shit for most of the season and are deservedly 17th yes?
Both things can be true at the same time
 
Stateside Spur said:
We were lucky to not lose to Roma??

We had a 2-1 lead in stoppage time, had more “big chances”, more shots, by any metric we should have won that match fairly convincingly.
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I watched the highlights of that game last night in the road to Bilbao video on YouTube. IIRC, we hit the woodwork 3 times in that game alone.

As usual, there's a certain element that use missed chances by the opposition as a stick to beat the club with, whilst conveniently forgetting to use the same metric in the club's favour.

One has to wonder why.
 
The Absolute GOAT said:
Don’t mind him.

Hes a bitter little troll that likes to rewrite history to piss on our club.
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Just winds me up that we won a European trophy less than 24 hrs ago and our own supporters are doing rivals homework for them.

We are going to hear plenty of nonsense now that EL is not a big trophy or whatever the fuck they want to claim now, but we don’t need our own doing their work for them.
 
So I've been mulling it over all day in amongst enjoying all the content from last night.

I hope he stays.

The guy has just won us a European trophy after calling it last year and taking dog's abuse from all sides since.

Regardless of the ridiculous narrative about the players going rogue, they actually all seem to absolutely love him. The videos of the uncomfortably long hugs...them insisting he's right in the middle of the trophy lift...those players have been right with him all season.

He says he was told when he joined that he had to change the culture around the club. He backed himself with his idea that 3rd or 4th doesn't change anything. We had to win. He's delivered that.

If we sack him after he breaks to drought, we go back to being a banter club and having to start all over again, with most realistic candidates not being 'winners'.

If we keep him and it doesn't work out, then it'll be a new start just a few months down the line.

Or maybe, just maybe, he's right and this is the start of some thing special.
 
I mean, I don't really know now what the club will do regarding Ange's future.

Fair play to him for saying what he was going to do.

Maybe next season more focus on the league if was he said was true regarding basing everything around the Europa League.

Who knows, all I know is he has done something alot of good managers have failed to do in the recent past and that is to get us over the line.

Players seem on board with him, probably a good sign going forward rather than upheaval.

Need to be better when playing Champions League football next season though.
 
Billy Bob mate said:
So I've been mulling it over all day in amongst enjoying all the content from last night.

I hope he stays.

The guy has just won us a European trophy after calling it last year and taking dog's abuse from all sides since.

Regardless of the ridiculous narrative about the players going rogue, they actually all seem to absolutely love him. The videos of the uncomfortably long hugs...them insisting he's right in the middle of the trophy lift...those players have been right with him all season.

He says he was told when he joined that he had to change the culture around the club. He backed himself with his idea that 3rd or 4th doesn't change anything. We had to win. He's delivered that.

If we sack him after he breaks to drought, we go back to being a banter club and having to start all over again, with most realistic candidates not being 'winners'.

If we keep him and it doesn't work out, then it'll be a new start just a few months down the line.

Or maybe, just maybe, he's right and this is the start of some thing special.
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Keep him. Actually back him this season.

We need players that will make an impact on THIS upcoming season.
 
Jaynola said:
Qarabag, Ferencvaros, AZ x 3, Hoffenheim, Elfsborg, Bodo = enough said.

Even Roma, Galatasaray and Marmoush-less Frankfurt (who also lost Gotze for a chunk) were hardly PSG...knowing Galatasaray sodomised us and we were lucky not to also lose to Roma.

As for United, I mean...Still, they coulda/shoulda scored at least once last night and might have been a different story had the game gone to ET.

We won it and that's grand. I'll give Ange a couple creds, ditto the players. But unlike you I'm not gonna fool myself into thinking we were Brazil v1970.

To be honest you've been switching sides & opinions more often than a full-time prosie turns tricks, so your takes since EL glory are no surprise.
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Oh give it a rest you fucking idiot.
 
Stateside Spur said:
Just winds me up that we won a European trophy less than 24 hrs ago and our own supporters are doing rivals homework for them.

We are going to hear plenty of nonsense now that EL is not a big trophy or whatever the fuck they want to claim now, but we don’t need our own doing their work for them.
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Our main rivals have won fuck all this season yet, Chelsea might win the Europa Conference, so meh.
 
Don Pedro said:
For a club who went 17 years without a trophy, I really don't think we are in an entitled position to view any trophy as minor.

We came runners up in CL and Prem under Poch are were laughed at for not winning any of the "easier trophies" during that time. We are nowhere near as good as that team was right now. We all know that! But we stepped up when it mattered and won the biggest trophy this club has won in 41 years! Anyone trying to diminish that is not a Spurs fan and if they claim to be, then I don't know what they want to get out of supporting spurs.... Because if you can't enjoy this then whats the point. Will it get any better? Are we going to see Spurs win a CL or EPL in the next 10 years? I hope so but wouldn't say its likely! This is the next best competition we can win and we just won it!
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Exactly. The alternative to winning it is not winning and winning always beats losing.
 
kcspurs said:
I'm not meaning to detract from the players, they delivered a performance that was enough to win the final, that is what matters. They deserve credit for it. They have suffered under this regime in manifold ways and deserved to lift the trophy.

It does not vindicate Ange Postecoglou, who is at 1.03 PPG in the league 2 years in
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True, his record this season in the league is awful.
The matters in his favour are:
  • Won the UEFA Cup (or 'Europa League' if you will)
  • Got half way towards a League Cup final (in that he won the first semi)
  • Had a ton of injuries to key players (whether that's down to him or the absence of a medical team)
  • Fought strongly on four fronts
  • It is kind of normal to see teams have an awful league campaign when doing well in the Europa
  • The players are all 110% behind him
  • Did more for the young players than Poch (whose rep for that is baffling, considering he ruined a generation of the academy for us)
  • Didn't throw anyone else under the bus when things went badly
  • Is now on paper by far our most successful manager for 40 years (measuring successes and scales in terms of competitions won and rep of competition)
If he'd lost the dressing room, fair enough. Problem with another 'reset' (changing manager) is that we've done it a ton of times now and it just doesn't seem to push us on. We'll end up with another manager who wants another totally different squad and probably moans about players like Min-Hyeok and Vuskovic being someone else's players when they could be our next big exciting players.

The matters against him are:
  • Awful in the league
  • Has been very tactically naive outside of the latter stages of the Europa
  • Unlikely to do well in the CL based on his tactical approach and how it went with Celtic
  • Doesn't really seem to play in a way that suits Solanke, Son, and a number of other previously decent players
  • Hasn't got a catchphrase like "I always win the league in the 3rd season, mate" so may have jumped the shark
  • Paratici is unlikely to be a fan, so will be on thin ice
  • Our history of keeping managers for a new season despite league form is not grea

The most important thing for me is that the players are behind him, and his cup success might actually be more enticing to new signings than other options available to us. We are kind of back to the Poch era of 'fresh team' rather than the Jose era of 'established ready-to-win team', so it looks like a project anyway - I'm not really sure if it's the right conditions to do anything but give him the 3rd season he's arguably just earnt.
 
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