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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
As always, more than one thing can be true.

Winning that trophy is a major milestone for the club. It’s a top trophy to win.

We played some pretty easy teams to win it.

I don’t care about that. We won. But that doesn’t make the easy teams thing any less true.
 
I'm a little surprised to see so many voices here to keep Ange for next season.

PersonalIy still cannot see any other PL team willing to hire him if we sack him.

If rumours about Paratici coming in are true, I expect it will be easier for him to make a call and say goodbye to Ange - from the position of "new Boss in town".

I dont buy also players feelings factor that much. Still think we will shift couple of them (maybe even important figures like Son, Romero, Boss) and it will be different team next season.
 
AberdeenYid said:
As always, more than one thing can be true.

Winning that trophy is a major milestone for the club. It’s a top trophy to win.

We played some pretty easy teams to win it.

I don’t care about that. We won. But that doesn’t make the easy teams thing any less true.
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The average football fan would struggle to tell you who was the runner up in a final - never mind what teams were played in the run up to the final. The history books will show we beat Man United in a final - not Qarabag - so I think it only matters to people looking to diminish the result.

I consider myself to be pretty knowledgable with football, but even now I can't remember at all who West Ham played in the conference final - never mind who they played on the way there.
 
CJJ said:
The average football fan would struggle to tell you who was the runner up in a final - never mind what teams were played in the run up to the final. The history books will show we beat Man United in a final - not Qarabag - so I think it only matters to people looking to diminish the result.

I consider myself to be pretty knowledgable with football, but even now I can't remember at all who West Ham played in the conference final - never mind who they played on the way there.
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It matters to people who are assessing whether or not Ange should be kept on. It doesn't impact the enjoyment of the trophy.

It would be the same if England had won a World Cup under Southgate but beat nobody good along the way. I'd say well done, thank you, but the football has been crap and the draw was lucky. It wouldn't mean I would not treasure that world cup for life, but I could also accept it wasn't won just because the coach was some genius and we were stunning throughout.

Fiorentina I believe. And nobody cares because the conference league is rubbish and shouldn't even exist.
 
Hrytn said:
It's perplexing people say EL is an easy cup to win. There is no easy cup to win in any competition.

In fact, winning the EL confirms one and one thing only; our position in the table P17 is false.
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Weve won the EL 3 times in our history. Only 1 team in the whole of football has won it more times. Woolwich and West Ham have won this trophy zero times and Chelsea only twice.

That suggets its hard to win.
 
PatagoniaPhil said:
Weve won the EL 3 times in our history. Only 1 team in the whole of football has won it more times. Woolwich and West Ham have won this trophy zero times and Chelsea only twice.

That suggets its hard to win.
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Chelsea have only been in it twice since takeover and both times they won the thing. West Ham are fucking shit mate.

Woolwich are gonna Woolwich. They did get to a final but lost to a Hazard led Chelsea.
 
Hrytn said:
It's perplexing people say EL is an easy cup to win. There is no easy cup to win in any competition.

In fact, winning the EL confirms one and one thing only; our position in the table P17 is false.
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CJJ said:
True, his record this season in the league is awful.
The matters in his favour are:
  • Won the UEFA Cup (or 'Europa League' if you will)
  • Got half way towards a League Cup final (in that he won the first semi)
  • Had a ton of injuries to key players (whether that's down to him or the absence of a medical team)
  • Fought strongly on four fronts
  • It is kind of normal to see teams have an awful league campaign when doing well in the Europa
  • The players are all 110% behind him
  • Did more for the young players than Poch (whose rep for that is baffling, considering he ruined a generation of the academy for us)
  • Didn't throw anyone else under the bus when things went badly
  • Is now on paper by far our most successful manager for 40 years (measuring successes and scales in terms of competitions won and rep of competition)
If he'd lost the dressing room, fair enough. Problem with another 'reset' (changing manager) is that we've done it a ton of times now and it just doesn't seem to push us on. We'll end up with another manager who wants another totally different squad and probably moans about players like Min-Hyeok and Vuskovic being someone else's players when they could be our next big exciting players.

The matters against him are:
  • Awful in the league
  • Has been very tactically naive outside of the latter stages of the Europa
  • Unlikely to do well in the CL based on his tactical approach and how it went with Celtic
  • Doesn't really seem to play in a way that suits Solanke, Son, and a number of other previously decent players
  • Hasn't got a catchphrase like "I always win the league in the 3rd season, mate" so may have jumped the shark
  • Paratici is unlikely to be a fan, so will be on thin ice
  • Our history of keeping managers for a new season despite league form is not grea

The most important thing for me is that the players are behind him, and his cup success might actually be more enticing to new signings than other options available to us. We are kind of back to the Poch era of 'fresh team' rather than the Jose era of 'established ready-to-win team', so it looks like a project anyway - I'm not really sure if it's the right conditions to do anything but give him the 3rd season he's arguably just earnt.
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Thank Christ Paratici has Levy's ear and not you
 
Honestly, I’d rather stick with him to next season, but get rid quickly if it isn’t a promising start. I know you ideally don’t want a new manager after pre season and get off to a good start, and it’s also tough racing to find a manager mid season, so some would say do it now. But I think he deserves to have a go at it, I still have hope. But if there are not quick signs we are performing significantly better in the league than last year, get rid quick
 
Sacking Ange won't be an easy decision now. The whole footballing world is talking about him.

But Paratici is making the decision so he might not care.
 
Raf said:
Sacking Ange won't be an easy decision now. The whole footballing world is talking about him.

But Paratici is making the decision so he might not care.
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I've never been fully in on the Paratici train but if he makes that decision I'll love and respect him for life.

A thank you note and a bullet to the head. Mafioso style, no being clouded by emotions.
 
CJJ said:
True, his record this season in the league is awful.
The matters in his favour are:
  • Won the UEFA Cup (or 'Europa League' if you will)
  • Got half way towards a League Cup final (in that he won the first semi)
  • Had a ton of injuries to key players (whether that's down to him or the absence of a medical team)
  • Fought strongly on four fronts
  • It is kind of normal to see teams have an awful league campaign when doing well in the Europa
  • The players are all 110% behind him
  • Did more for the young players than Poch (whose rep for that is baffling, considering he ruined a generation of the academy for us)
  • Didn't throw anyone else under the bus when things went badly
  • Is now on paper by far our most successful manager for 40 years (measuring successes and scales in terms of competitions won and rep of competition)
If he'd lost the dressing room, fair enough. Problem with another 'reset' (changing manager) is that we've done it a ton of times now and it just doesn't seem to push us on. We'll end up with another manager who wants another totally different squad and probably moans about players like Min-Hyeok and Vuskovic being someone else's players when they could be our next big exciting players.

The matters against him are:
  • Awful in the league
  • Has been very tactically naive outside of the latter stages of the Europa
  • Unlikely to do well in the CL based on his tactical approach and how it went with Celtic
  • Doesn't really seem to play in a way that suits Solanke, Son, and a number of other previously decent players
  • Hasn't got a catchphrase like "I always win the league in the 3rd season, mate" so may have jumped the shark
  • Paratici is unlikely to be a fan, so will be on thin ice
  • Our history of keeping managers for a new season despite league form is not grea

The most important thing for me is that the players are behind him, and his cup success might actually be more enticing to new signings than other options available to us. We are kind of back to the Poch era of 'fresh team' rather than the Jose era of 'established ready-to-win team', so it looks like a project anyway - I'm not really sure if it's the right conditions to do anything but give him the 3rd season he's arguably just earnt.
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One thing I would add to Ange's credit is that he wants to be here. He cares about the job and wants to continue - he believes that he can take us further. We've had problems before with managers who haven't been committed to the club and I think we will struggle to find another manager who will be as invested as Ange.

On the downside, I don't like the way he's reversed himself on the issue of winning a trophy at the expense of league form. When we went out of the Carabao Cup to Fulham last season, he said "Winning a cup and finishing 10th is not what we're about" and seemed to suggest that it wasn't a viable path to long-term success but now that we've won a cup and will finish 16th at best under his watch, it apparently is. I like the rationale that the players will improve now that they know what winning feels like but it still seems like a u-turn.

I'm going to leave the decision up to Levy. It's his responsibility and I certainly don't envy him the choice he has to make.
 
Dark Shadow said:
Thank Christ Paratici has Levy's ear and not you
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I'm assuming we're expecting something different from the list Paratici made last time, which famously included Gattuso and ended with Nuno (and as much as the final wasn't exactly a showpiece, the fact remains that we had more shots on target (1) than in the last 2 and a half hours of Nuno-ball)

Now to clarify, I'm not suggesting that I am campaigning for Ange to remain - I'm simply breaking down the reasons why I think it's likely he will.

All of the great PR and accomplishment of winning the EL will be shrouded in embarrassment and the same fans arguing for him to go will use his sacking as a stick to beat the club with when it suits.
 
Deuterz said:
I've never been fully in on the Paratici train but if he makes that decision I'll love and respect him for life.

A thank you note and a bullet to the head. Mafioso style, no being clouded by emotions.
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Paratici:"Ange come in to sign your extension"

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Deuterz said:
He will stay. If he doesn't it would be a double celebration, but I can't see it happening.

He's one of the most egotistical people I've ever seen. Genuinely. That might be the only reason he steps down, because next season deep down he knows it will be the same old shit and he won't have something like this to fall back on. That's all you can cling on to.
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I know no-one should go shopping when they’re hungry: but maybe, just maybe he’s got a plan .

Fully understand dishing the league
( however much that pisses off the STH’s ) and going all out to win the Europa ( 17 / 41 ) AND get Champions League next year.

Maybe there is a method in his
apparent madness .

Just saying.
 
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