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Management Ange Postecoglou
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People like to make up scenarios then assuming they will happen, for the worse, unfortunately.
I see what supporting this team has done to them.
But I thought the win on Wednesday supposed to give us renewed hopes, if 17 years of starvation wasn't enough.
Some people are forever pessimists I guess...
And I tell you guys the non-believers something, a new manager wouldn't be any different from the possibility of a shit show repeating, when a new chapter with history re-written already happened and could continue to happen.
But there are no certainties who could be right and who could be wrong. What's dead certain will be the reset if Ange was replaced. And coming off a huge success from the last 48 hours, it's really ridiculous for that to happen.
I see what supporting this team has done to them.
But I thought the win on Wednesday supposed to give us renewed hopes, if 17 years of starvation wasn't enough.
Some people are forever pessimists I guess...
And I tell you guys the non-believers something, a new manager wouldn't be any different from the possibility of a shit show repeating, when a new chapter with history re-written already happened and could continue to happen.
But there are no certainties who could be right and who could be wrong. What's dead certain will be the reset if Ange was replaced. And coming off a huge success from the last 48 hours, it's really ridiculous for that to happen.
The irony is, had we lost on Wednesday, our prospects for a new manager would have been EXTREMELY dim, this would be a job to absolutely flee from, and yet it would have been a simple decision, Ange had failed, time to move onto something else, even if it's a mediocrity like Marco Silva (and even he might not have taken the job).
But by winning, Ange has made the job MUCH more attractive (CL qualification and money is a big deal, but also getting the trophy monkey off the club's back makes it IMMESURABLY less toxic of an environment) and so now that he's in the frame to retain the job, his potential competition is much stronger.
I really only have two takes to offer on the situation.
1. I think it would behoove the club to take a second to breathe and think it over. What are the summer squad needs looking like and what is the backroom structure making those decisions? What kind of tactics does Ange even want to play moving forward? How strong is his support in the dressing room really? Hard to have good, confident answers to these questions in the fog of victory.
2. I am resolved not to be mad either way. It's a tricky one.
Right, yeah, that's a good way to frame it. Not sure how promising that avenue looks, even with the CL boon.
Yeah let's keep him and waste a chance to get back to being competitive again
That’s a very sensible approach IMHO.
Ange has that steel and bullish mentality to win trophies. Not sure though hes expansive or creative enough tactically with the demands of premier league or dealing with injuries. Quite a tricky decision by board to make. United had same problem with Ten Haag.
Extremely!
Bare minimum if we stick with Ange, we need a comprehensive overhaul of the coaching staff behind him.
People with top pedigree with Ange head of motivational speeches and cheerleading!
There is no denying that our league season was a shambles. Advancing the argument that this was entirely down to our injury crisis doesn't really wash. Ange's suggestion that he made a decision in January to blow off the league and concentrate on winning the EL sounded like 20/20 hindsight bullshit when he said it.
The last two days have been revelatory. The unbridled joy among the fans at being winners again has been awesome to be part of. The scenes today have brought home to us again that we are, when all is said and done, one of the world's truly great clubs with a heritage and pedigree to equal the best of them. In the last few years a lot of us have lost sight of that.
Forget the clouding effect of the emotional high for a moment. I have a sneaking suspicion that Ange might actually have been serious when he said he blew off the league in January. We were never going to qualify for the CL in the league at that stage. He said, when he came in, that he wanted to change our mind set and that we needed to be winners. He committed himself to winning in his second season.
Maybe, just maybe, he meant it. Maybe he did focus on the EL. He set the team up to do whatever it took to get to the final and win the damn thing. Yes we were fortunate with the draw, but we still had to win it. A lot of teams in the EL were not in vintage form but to suggest the likes of Utd, Lazio, Porto, Roma, Frankfurt, Athletico, Ajax etc do not have strong European pedigree is ridiculous.
We are now winners again. Ange brought us that. 'Arry didn't, Conte didn’t, Mourhino didn't, Poch didn't. Ange did, and I'm here all day for feeling like I have since Wednesday.
Give him a chance to show he can bring us more success.
Apologies for the essay.
The last two days have been revelatory. The unbridled joy among the fans at being winners again has been awesome to be part of. The scenes today have brought home to us again that we are, when all is said and done, one of the world's truly great clubs with a heritage and pedigree to equal the best of them. In the last few years a lot of us have lost sight of that.
Forget the clouding effect of the emotional high for a moment. I have a sneaking suspicion that Ange might actually have been serious when he said he blew off the league in January. We were never going to qualify for the CL in the league at that stage. He said, when he came in, that he wanted to change our mind set and that we needed to be winners. He committed himself to winning in his second season.
Maybe, just maybe, he meant it. Maybe he did focus on the EL. He set the team up to do whatever it took to get to the final and win the damn thing. Yes we were fortunate with the draw, but we still had to win it. A lot of teams in the EL were not in vintage form but to suggest the likes of Utd, Lazio, Porto, Roma, Frankfurt, Athletico, Ajax etc do not have strong European pedigree is ridiculous.
We are now winners again. Ange brought us that. 'Arry didn't, Conte didn’t, Mourhino didn't, Poch didn't. Ange did, and I'm here all day for feeling like I have since Wednesday.
Give him a chance to show he can bring us more success.
Apologies for the essay.
Sounds like you spend a lot of time imagining what reality is. Rent free dawg. Enjoy yourself.
And, TBF, it took a scruffy near-own-goal in our favour, and a legendary overhead kick goal line clearance. Against a United team that's 16th in the PL.
Not that I revel in minimizing anything. Fucking Europa League Champions!!!!
Ange has got more charisma and aura than Ten Hag though
Yeah spot on. Think this is the post of the thread so far.
People calling for a third season make me despair. It will be disastrous. The football for so long has been terrible. It amazes me people saw what happened with Ten Haag and want to do that all over again except we’re worse than United ever were under him.
There will be no Bodo and Qarabag mid week for him to fall back on next season. We will never be able to rotate. We couldn’t even handle focusing on Europa whilst remaining semi competitive in England, let alone the champions league.
It’s going to be a messy, horrible disaster as he isn’t fit for purpose, and some of our fans will have willed that disaster on.
Yeah cl teams are a whole different kettle to the europa ones we had. Our record against the top teams proves this.
And the players actually like him...
Christ. What does that even mean?
So much aura and charisma the side looked unarsed every single week. But yeah he got us up for some knockout games .. yey.
Ten Haag won two trophies at United, one whilst beating the champions of England in a final. We beat 16th by parking a bus.
If ‘he comes out with cool quotes in the press’ is why we want to commit to another year of this coach, I despair.
Get me the lottery numbers right before you are so sure.
I can't watch another league season where we get dominated by all the prem teams again
We have been sussed out and got a run in the europa the cl teams will be a different proposition not to mention prem teams sussing us out. Will he adapt i don't think he will in the league