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Management Ange Postecoglou

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SpursDNA said:
Obviously we’re not winning a European trophy.

So what does “better” mean? Too 4 in the league? Top 7? Top half? 15th instead of 17th?

Personally, I don’t see Ange getting us top half - particularly with ECL matches mid-week - and with each win worth over €2 million - I can’t see Levy letting Ange sacrifice them.
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Top 5, qualify EL. I think that's doable with the stipulations I mentioned above.

I feel like I have some credit in store as I predicted we would win the cup on November last year!
 
Matt1882 said:
I'd be absolutely shocked if he lasted more than 10 games next season.
The fact many feel exactly the same way should be all the club needs to know in order to plan.

Why waste a season.
Why waste money on transfers.
Why sell players who may perform better under another coach.
Why waste a golden opportunity like CL football by not acting.

Any other coach we've had in living memory would have no support left.
This guys has hoodwinked you all into unwavering support.
It's madness.
It's mass, delusional, madness.
Moyes won the Conference league with Spam.

The teams they beat were no less challenging.

Let's not pretend we've done something anyone couldn't do if they put all their eggs in the one basket
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But we just had about 6 months of
'I will be shocked if he is in charge of the next match'
I can see the same scenario playing out next season just not with the happy end...

As some other poster said levy only cares about pr not football. Levy will ride the angetrain as long as he can.
 
Matt1882 said:
But you see those players as always having been that good.
We got Dele from the championship as a teenager. Compare him to Gray or Bergvall and what he did is insane.
Kane came from the academy.
Alderiereld wasn't wanted by Atletico and had been playing for Southampton.
Fans hated Rose and Walker.
Demebele hadn't done much before Poch arrived.
Eriksen was on and off.
So on and so forth.
Yes we should have won something, but I'd say it was unfortunate rather than negligent.
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But the thing that is clear, Poch gets a lot of excuses for what was a pretty long stint, t then apparently Ange won a major cup and he had absolutely nothing to do with it….

:ange-hmm:

I’m not defending the league form and I won’t be up in arms if he does go, it’s just odd he did what he said he would do, we loved the win then we move on yet again.
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Matt1882 said:
It is true.
Whilst teams like Newcastle, Woolwich, Leicester, Ipswich, Palace etc all just sat deep, let us pass around outside the box and then take the 1 or 2 decent chances we gave up, the loudest Angebois in here claimed we played well and should have won those games.
No, we shouldn't.
If any of them are saying Man United, with their 73% possession and 16 shots to 3 didn't deserve a result, then neither did we in those games.
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What I mean is, most sides that played us didn't play so atrociously, sat deep and ceded possession yes, comfortable with the fact that they just had to wait for their opportunity to get the ball and attack. But they didn't just relentlessly hoof it back to us, most sides that beat us could have scored 2 or 3 more quite easily, we gave up so many chances.

That is nothing like what we did against Utd, scrappy almost OG aside, we could have played that game for a further 900 minutes and we wouldn't have looked like scoring again. Whereas our league opposition tended to look like they could score any moment.

But I'm not saying Man Utd deserved anything from the Europa Final, we were inept, they were inepter, and we didn't deserve anything from the league defeats. The early part of the season was bizarre, we'd fashion two and a half semi-presentable chances in 100 minutes and 173% possession of the ball and people were raving about how we should have had 3, meanwhile the opposition were having 47 clear cut open goals from 73 seconds of having the ball and everyone was just ignoring it...
 
Harrier said:
I keep seeing this said, but what does giving Ange the first 8 games prove that we haven’t seen over the last two seasons?!

Surely we already have a big enough sample to understand if Ange is the right person to take us forward or not?!
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Maybe i'm just a romantic, but I just feel like us winning the EL and breaking our trophy duck after how many years should give him a bit of credit in the bank , I get its a hard decision to make and I can see both sides of the argument, however if i had to pick one way or another I think I would go with keeping him.
It does make me laugh a bit though as for years when Poch was in charge we all used to say top 4 is not a real trophy, yet now it seems that had we won fuck all last season yet Ange managed to get us 5th and into the CL then we would be looking forward to the new season with him in charge after successive 5th place finishes.
 
manmountainbutters said:
The Ange-in answer (which I don't agree is sufficient) is (1) injuries (2) momentum / squad backing with EL win (3) Ange made a decision to de-prioritise league. Idea is if you put all this together it amounts to a good chance of a better league performance and a decent crack at the cups next season.
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Based on this season, and Ange having to totally forego the league games in order to beat AZ, Frankfurt, Bodo, and Man Utd, then it feels as though there is no chance at all of this happening.

Season before we did well in the league, had no Europe, out of League Cup first round, out of FA cup second round.

So for next season, based on the evidence so far, are we happy to once again go out of the cups early doors and have a passable league season (with no guarantee of that being actually fighting at the very top end), or sacrifice the league again to have a shot at the cups, with the risk that another similarly poor performance coupled with better fight from the sides coming up results in a real relegation battle?

To me this whole notion of being crap in the league enabling the cup runs is bizarre, this was a freak season, usually the sides that are scrapping it out for the cups are the better sides in the league(s), or at least competent. 3 of the 4 sides in the semis of the domestic cups qualified for CL via the league this year, the 4th being Palace, who after a dismal start were pretty decent this season.

Going as far as we did in Europa would excuse a dip in the league by a handful or places, dropping out of the top 10 should have been out of the question, dropping down to the worst team not to be relegated is absurd and inexcusable.
 
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