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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Prioritising uefa shouldn't mean Everton, villa, Liverpool and many more should happen
We don’t have professionals making decisions at our football club.
We have cretins.
Every single member of our board has shown time and time again that they belong nowhere near football decisions
There is zero evidence that the club has spoken to any candidates about a managerial appointment
Look at the players he has produced that are being courted by other clubs.
He has built a club, culture, and coached players none of us had heard of to be successful and sought after.
We currently perhaps have three, Micky, Romero and Bergvall.
Nah. I backed Poch all the way. Redknapp all the way too. I’ll back a coach until I genuinely believe they’re done here, unless I’m completely not sold from the very start like I was with Ange or Nuno.
You’ll constantly be going on about Ange still and will be obsessed with him.
So on that basis you’d say pre-Spurs Poch was a worse manager than Ange?!
The trophy win was absolutely amazing, but don’t kid yourself that numerous previous managers such as Poch, Jose, Conte, even sodding Sherwood put in the same position couldn’t have delivered that trophy with the run we had in the Europa.
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I see a lot of misconceptions about people who are Ange in or are undecided. Nobody is saying 17th in the league was good, just that they believe it won't be anywhere near 17th next season. And that even if it is not top 5 we will have another trophy. I mean Frank did well with a lower budget club, but the jump straight to Champions League is too undeserving, and too much to guarantee any silverware or CL football again. If Ange fails, Inzaghi makes more sense in terms of experience on the CV. Even Glasner at least has winning experience.
Not a big step up though is it. Not really an inspiring call for a supposed Big 6 club.
Let's be honest, if he was appointed by Everton or West Ham or Wolves nobody on here would be surprised.
We should be showing ambition levels above these kind of clubs.
Jesus H Christ wouldn't get Spurs to a title.
I would however take a consistent finish in the top five or six, a more realistic objective sprinkled with the odd cup run and victory.
What I don't want is another season with Ange where that objective is over and done in December.
I'm for replacing Ange if we get a dramatically better manager that's going to move the dial. Not sure a midtable Premier League manager is going to do that. As you said, it screams we want the solid Premier League finishes over actual trophies.
How's it not relevant to Ange when discussing his potential replacement? Surely you're going to measure the guy potentially coming in against the guy potentially going out?
You're determined that anyone potentially coming in is a bad fit for one intangible reason or another, if it's a guy overperforming on limited resources like Frank it's "he's only ever finished midtable, players won't respect him", when it was Glasner in question who has quanitifiably achieved more at Europe's elite level in the past 5 years and finished miles above Ange with a team that has far less resources and had their best player taken off them in the summer, recovering from a winless period of their first 11 games, it's a "sideways step", and we talk about a proven winner in Inzaghi who has 2 CL final appearances and a Serie A title in the last 3 years all while never spending more than 30m euros on a single player and it means fuck all because Inter have a bigger wage budget than the other teams in the league?
You are playing devil's advocate in the extreme lately to back your horse, that's fine, it's the internet, people do it, but I've no interest in indulging it further.
He's clearly a very effective manager and would be an upgrade over Ange in most senses.
My one reservation is that Brentford have extraordinarily good scouting and analysis functions to support Frank, and I doubt Spurs will ever have the discipline to provide it.
Why would it be another trophy if it’s not top 5 next season? We’re not in the Europa League next season FFS. We won something this year because Ange struck gold with that competition + the timing of us having nothing else to play for, it’s not like he’s nailed on trophies with tough pathways now.
Ange couldn’t balance Europa league with the league so why anyone thinks he could handle the infinitely harder champions league with league games I don’t know.
By the way, league performance is how 99% of all clubs judge managers. Of course the cups are important but the league judges performance in a controlled environment where you all play the same teams over 38 games. Cups are notoriously unpredictable, luck reliant and poor teams do win them.
If they are going to sack Ange it would be much better being a name like Inzaghi who has won things.
No question about that.
I don’t think Inzaghi fits the age of our squad and I could see the likes of Bergvall and Odobert getting frozen out because Italian coaches almost never trust teenagers. I also don’t think success at Inter means success at Spurs just because we’ve spent more on transfer fees.
None of that has anything to do with Ange
Right.
If we get Xavi or Inzaghi that demands the club to act like they really do want to keep winning things, then fine.
But Frank? Get the top 4 dvds out boys, the glory days are back
They didn’t though and loads of them lost to worse teams in the EL.
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Because Ange said his season 3 is going to be better than season 2 somehow. That is why. Because when Aston Villa last won a European Cup they finished bottom half and then 6th again the next season. Because not even Newcastle would have won a cup this season or qualified for the CL if they were in Europe. Because Frank doesn't guarantee managing Europe any better. Because Frank never actually earnt to be in the CL, unlike Poch and Ange who definitely earnt it. Lots of reasons similar.
Great we’ll have the best squad in the Championship when Ange gets us relegated!
Bravo!
Your whole argument for keeping Ange seems to be built on he’s earned another go because of the trophy and he’s good at sweet talking players to come here! Ridiculous you can ignore all the ‘records’ he broke last season.
