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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Richard Arlison said:

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Well put.

If you prioritize the one competition where glory is possible at the expense of a few quid from league positions, you get sacked by these clowns.

The game might be about glory for fans but not for Levy.
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I'm for replacing Ange if we get a dramatically better manager that's going to move the dial. Not sure a midtable Premier League manager is going to do that. As you said, it screams we want the solid Premier League finishes over actual trophies.
 
Richard Arlison said:
We were talking about Inzaghi I thought?

I don’t get why you went on a rant about
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How's it not relevant to Ange when discussing his potential replacement? Surely you're going to measure the guy potentially coming in against the guy potentially going out?
You're determined that anyone potentially coming in is a bad fit for one intangible reason or another, if it's a guy overperforming on limited resources like Frank it's "he's only ever finished midtable, players won't respect him", when it was Glasner in question who has quanitifiably achieved more at Europe's elite level in the past 5 years and finished miles above Ange with a team that has far less resources and had their best player taken off them in the summer, recovering from a winless period of their first 11 games, it's a "sideways step", and we talk about a proven winner in Inzaghi who has 2 CL final appearances and a Serie A title in the last 3 years all while never spending more than 30m euros on a single player and it means fuck all because Inter have a bigger wage budget than the other teams in the league?

You are playing devil's advocate in the extreme lately to back your horse, that's fine, it's the internet, people do it, but I've no interest in indulging it further.
 
ThePreacher said:
Look at the players he has produced that are being courted by other clubs.

He has built a club, culture, and coached players none of us had heard of to be successful and sought after.

We currently perhaps have three, Micky, Romero and Bergvall.
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He's clearly a very effective manager and would be an upgrade over Ange in most senses.

My one reservation is that Brentford have extraordinarily good scouting and analysis functions to support Frank, and I doubt Spurs will ever have the discipline to provide it.
 
HyNdZee said:
I see a lot of misconceptions about people who are Ange in or are undecided. Nobody is saying 17th in the league was good, just that they believe it won't be anywhere near 17th next season. And that even if it is not top 5 we will have another trophy. I mean Frank did well with a lower budget club, but the jump straight to Champions League is too undeserving, and too much to guarantee any silverware or CL football again. If Ange fails, Inzaghi makes more sense in terms of experience on the CV. Even Glasner at least has winning experience.
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Why would it be another trophy if it’s not top 5 next season? We’re not in the Europa League next season FFS. We won something this year because Ange struck gold with that competition + the timing of us having nothing else to play for, it’s not like he’s nailed on trophies with tough pathways now.

Ange couldn’t balance Europa league with the league so why anyone thinks he could handle the infinitely harder champions league with league games I don’t know.

By the way, league performance is how 99% of all clubs judge managers. Of course the cups are important but the league judges performance in a controlled environment where you all play the same teams over 38 games. Cups are notoriously unpredictable, luck reliant and poor teams do win them.
 
Mostly wrong said:
How's it not relevant to Ange when discussing his potential replacement? Surely you're going to measure the guy potentially coming in against the guy potentially going out?
You're determined that anyone potentially coming in is a bad fit for one intangible reason or another, if it's a guy overperforming on limited resources like Frank it's "he's only ever finished midtable, players won't respect him", when it was Glasner in question who has quanitifiably achieved more at Europe's elite level in the past 5 years and finished miles above Ange with a team that has far less resources and had their best player taken off them in the summer, recovering from a winless period of their first 11 games, it's a "sideways step", and we talk about a proven winner in Inzaghi who has 2 CL final appearances and a Serie A title in the last 3 years all while never spending more than 30m euros on a single player and it means fuck all because Inter have a bigger wage budget than the other teams in the league?

You are playing devil's advocate in the extreme lately to back your horse, that's fine, it's the internet, people do it, but I've no interest in indulging it further.
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If they are going to sack Ange it would be much better being a name like Inzaghi who has won things.
No question about that.

I don’t think Inzaghi fits the age of our squad and I could see the likes of Bergvall and Odobert getting frozen out because Italian coaches almost never trust teenagers. I also don’t think success at Inter means success at Spurs just because we’ve spent more on transfer fees.

None of that has anything to do with Ange
 
Stov said:
I'm for replacing Ange if we get a dramatically better manager that's going to move the dial. Not sure a midtable Premier League manager is going to do that. As you said, it screams we want the solid Premier League finishes over actual trophies.
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Right.

If we get Xavi or Inzaghi that demands the club to act like they really do want to keep winning things, then fine.

But Frank? Get the top 4 dvds out boys, the glory days are back
 
Harrier said:
So on that basis you’d say pre-Spurs Poch was a worse manager than Ange?!

The trophy win was absolutely amazing, but don’t kid yourself that numerous previous managers such as Poch, Jose, Conte, even sodding Sherwood put in the same position couldn’t have delivered that trophy with the run we had in the Europa.
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They didn’t though and loads of them lost to worse teams in the EL.
 
Deuterz said:
Why would it be another trophy if it’s not top 5 next season? We’re not in the Europa League next season FFS. We won something this year because Ange struck gold with that competition + the timing of us having nothing else to play for, it’s not like he’s nailed on trophies with tough pathways now.

Ange couldn’t balance Europa league with the league so why anyone thinks he could handle the infinitely harder champions league with league games I don’t know.

By the way, league performance is how 99% of all clubs judge managers. Of course the cups are important but the league judges performance in a controlled environment where you all play the same teams over 38 games. Cups are notoriously unpredictable, luck reliant and poor teams do win them.
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Because Ange said his season 3 is going to be better than season 2 somehow. That is why. Because when Aston Villa last won a European Cup they finished bottom half and then 6th again the next season. Because not even Newcastle would have won a cup this season or qualified for the CL if they were in Europe. Because Frank doesn't guarantee managing Europe any better. Because Frank never actually earnt to be in the CL, unlike Poch and Ange who definitely earnt it. Lots of reasons similar.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Maddison said Ange call was the reason he chose us over Newcastle. They were offering bigger wages.

Tel was the same. That was nothing to do with wages

Barca would have been offering Bergvall bigger wages.

It’s pretty much indisputable that Ange is outstanding and recruitment phone calls.
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Great we’ll have the best squad in the Championship when Ange gets us relegated!

Bravo! 👏

Your whole argument for keeping Ange seems to be built on he’s earned another go because of the trophy and he’s good at sweet talking players to come here! Ridiculous you can ignore all the ‘records’ he broke last season.
 
Would Ange have done better with Brentford’s squad last year than Frank would’ve done with ours?

Do you think he would’ve got the best out of the talent over there?
 
HyNdZee said:
Because Ange said his season 3 is going to be better than season 2 somehow. That is why. Because when Aston Villa last won a European Cup they finished bottom half and then 6th again the next season. Because not even Newcastle would have won a cup this season or qualified for the CL if they were in Europe. Because Frank doesn't guarantee managing Europe any better. Because Frank never actually earnt to be in the CL, unlike Poch and Ange who definitely earnt it. Lots of reasons similar.
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I couldn’t give a fuck what Ange says, he’s an egotistical bloke. If you believed what every manager said then we may as well re-hire Jose and be done with it. Ange just wants to save his own job.

Lots of clubs have Europe and do well. We’re not talking CL here.

Ange hasn’t earned shit. He’s massively underachieved here and only did well in a single cup competition because the draw was insanely kind to him. He then threw everything at it because he’s not competent enough to compete on numerous fronts or do well in competitions where you play high level teams.

Take the cup and run. We will continue to go backwards under him.
 
Seems like just yesterday when Ange was appointed and all the Levy / ENIC apologists were telling us to "Get behind the project" and that Ange was Levy's "Last chance saloon"

well...... Here we are, guys. 😂

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Harrier said:
Great we’ll have the best squad in the Championship when Ange gets us relegated!

Bravo! 👏

Your whole argument for keeping Ange seems to be built on he’s earned another go because of the trophy and he’s good at sweet talking players to come here! Ridiculous you can ignore all the ‘records’ he broke last season.
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Earning your shot and being great for recruiting better players are pretty fucking important

And we aren’t getting relegated if he stays. Stop being a drama queen because you can’t really argue the point without saying the same thing about last years league form
 
JimothyCF14 said:
Thomas Frank has turned Brentford into a permanent premier league fixture with a wage budget consistently in the bottom three.

Anyone using the argument that "but Ange beat him with Spurs so Ange is better" is brain-dead sorry. Ange should be beating Brentford comfortably every time given the absolute chasm in resources available to each manager.

Turning a mid table championship team with an average crowd of 10,000 into a midtable premier league team is no mean feat. Recognising that the football he played in the championship wouldn't work and adapting to the premier league and doing it well is a great sign. I guess we don't know exactly how he'd set us up at Spurs, because again he'd recognise that the quality of player available to him is better and he'd adapt again and none of this "it's just who we are mate" schtick which some people love but I think is just unearned arrogance.

I loved the trophy and it's something for the club to build on but I am getting fucking tired of 8 hour round journeys every other week to watch us get battered with no discernable sign of improvement or plan, and Frank is absolutely a step up on that and I'm certain.
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The only.step up will be someone proven to consistently win in the most important games we have.

Frank does not have that pedigree and getting in any manager without that will be a step back.

He sets up his teams to compete and stay in the prem, not to win trophies.
 
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