What's work? I stopped all that nonsense in 2008.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Did you have the Loyalty points to get to Bilbao?
The game is about winning trophies AND not being fucking embarrassing every week in the league from which you come.
The EL win is great. That doesn't mean our performances in the EL aren't fair game for criticism. Because if we play better our chances of winning more are improved!!!
Say we'd smashed EF and Man U by a few goals and played great football, and we'd finished the season with a couple of good league wins. We'd probably only be 15th or 16th, but it would certainly point to Ange having turned a corner and being a fundamentally better coach than many of us thought.
Even if the backs to the wall win against United was better than some on this forum expected, it's still not indicative of a great coach who will take us forward is it?
I'm pretty confident we can finish top half next season at least with him and Champions League football.
Maybe it won't be good enough if we are out all the cups sitting 10th and he rightly gets sacked. But you can't pretend he isn't massively responsible for the cup win, super cup final and Champions League qualification.
The strategy is called "Possum and Wombat"
uhhh... Mourinho had Eto'o, Cambiasso, Zanetti, Maicon...
It's relative of course. But it counts because we still have that squad going into CL next year and I know for a fact you don't rate most of them as most on here don't. Obviously they are better than 17th in the league and for that the manager goes BUT you can't on the one hand say our players are shit and then say winning a European Trophy doesn't count because the opposition are shit. We went into the game without Bergvall, Maddison and Deki. We adapted. That's good Cup management.
I agree.
It matters how we play in the league, even if we aren't going to win it. Otherwise the vast majority of league games played in every country in the world are pointless. Season tickets should be refunded after it's mathematically impossible for us to win it.
We are a shit watch it's true. Biggest disappointment given all the "we never stop" hype.
Is it ultimately though? For players you could say so.
For us? If the week to week is an absolute chore to endure, then what is the point?
I've been supporting Spurs for 30 years, I've seen 2 League Cups and this Europa, I've supported Spurs through George Graham, Christian Gross, and Tim Sherwood.
I was unequivocally not supporting us through those times because of the impending glory around the corner.
If you told me that next season is going to be another 38 game slog of a season with rarely a game to enjoy, but we'd some way or another pick up another silver pot, I'm not sure I'd bother to tune in tbh.
I realise that the last line might seem at odds with having said that I've supported through plenty of shit times, but the expectation is different now. If Ange had done what he's done with the squad that GG, or Gross had, then I'd have nothing but respect for him. For me, he's so detrimental to the development of the squad/players that we are left thinking that the squad full of internationals is barely above relegation fodder and we need a massive overhaul in personnel.
Sherwood, was probably the last time that I felt as apathetic about Spurs as I do right now, and at the time it felt bleak beyond salvage, so right now I'm hoping that the club can do the same again with a change of Manager.
Around the age of 9 kids who are into football learn to dismiss those of their peers who change club to the winning team as "just glory hunters".
Why, if the game is just about trophies, not just support the winning teams of the day?
No one here is not saying the game is not in part about trophies btw (before I get that thrown at me).
Why, if the game is just about trophies, not just support the winning teams of the day?
No one here is not saying the game is not in part about trophies btw (before I get that thrown at me).
I don't think he is much of a coach at all.
It seems to me that he's a leader of men, that can inspire and rally a team to fight for him.
He's also clearly capable of letting them know certain games (the league) don't matter and they can lose at will providing it increases the chances of his narcissism being proved right by winning himself (and as a side issue the club) a trophy.
I think after the City game last season he decided the club and fans can happily accept defeats in a certain context - which is true to an extent, bit divides the fans.
8 more pages incoming
What if the kit launch tomorrow is Ange wearing the new kit for
Episode 3?
Episode 3?
Okay. So you're officially stating that you don't recognise this Trophy as deserved so it doesn't count for you as a spurs fan?
Cool.
For myself, I had a fucking brilliant time in Bilbao - as did the 250, 000 odd spurs fans who came to the parade.
He had some good players. They had the best team ever.
Nobody is saying the European cup doesn’t count.. not even close. He won it. I will credit him with winning it. I’m just not gonna call shithousing Frankfurt and United spectacular because it objectively isn’t. They’re not great teams.
I’m fine with the approach, it worked, but I will give the proportionate amount of praise for the teams we beat. Spectacular is when we knocked out the 100 point City team in the CL. Calling beating Frankfurt by a goal spectacular muddies the term.
I won’t even include Bodo..
Selective flexibility. Might not have been a laughing stock in the league if he'd have not rocked up from the third world of football wondering why the most decorate managers in european history didn't just relentlessly try to score goals without any defensive consideration
I can guarantee you we can't.
He hasn't been any good in the league since the conclusion of his honeymoon period.