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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
harry7 said:
How many other clubs have come out issued a statement on their coach staying next season? People here acting like Spurs behaviour is outrageous.

Ange has 2 more years on his contract.
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How many other clubs are in the spotlight where their manager is concerned due to an abject failure in the league?

The only comparable club is Utd, who have stated that Amorim is staying, even after his failures.

I don't think our behaviour is outrageous, I think it's standard for a company who, after waiting for the euphoria to wear off, will be giving him his marching orders once he's back from his holiday.
 
KingstonSpur said:
Not sure this is true tbh. Liverpool, City, Woolwich, Chelsea, United and now Newcastle will outspend us. I don't think we should be expected to finish above those sides.
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Liverpool have never outspend us.

Since the new stadium, we're 3rd in net spend behind Manchester "debt LOL" United, and Chelsea's weird money laundering
 
_mehstg said:
Also, I don't think he has overachieved at Brentford at all. They are exactly where they should be... slap bang in the middle of the PL
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You do know that he got BFC up to the top division for the first time since 1947?

And that they were in the 4th Division down 15 years ago?

Tiny support, their new stadium has 17,000 and Griffin Park was even smaller.

They've got much bigger clubs on their doorstep - Chavs, FFC, even QPR

But you reckon that "slap bang in the middle of the PL" is exactly where they should be?

And you tell people off for not using stats lol

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Ed Vanderlay said:
I would like to see Ange go , but not in the shoddy classless way it is being done. Even if he stays it’s still been done in a shoddy manner. Hopefully if he gets the sack he throws Levy under the bus .

Clearly I do not mean literally throw him under the bus , I know how sensitive his defence force can get . So no righteous indignation please about it being disgusting advocating for the assassination of our dear leader .
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Viva El Presidente!!!

Salute Aye Aye Captain GIF
 
manmountainbutters said:
Frank has overachieved at Brentford. Perhaps not spectacularly, but he's done well. They've punched above their weight and he's improved players.
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He overachieved in the Championship too. He got out of what is a notoriously difficult league with a wage bill which was modest even by Championship levels. Like, less than half of the bigger clubs in that division. He then not only came up, but he's made Brentford such part of the Premier League furniture, they're not in the slightest bit out of place in the most prestigious league in Europe.

The football he plays now isn't the same as he played in the Championship either, he knew from the start that he wouldn't be able to keep Brentford up the same way. You'd assume with better players and more money to play with he'd adapt again at Spurs, because he adapts and doesn't treat adapting as a shameful act. He's achieved the same at Brentford the same as Howe did at Bournemouth except without the relegation so far, but people on here were desperate for Howe, and he's only just won a league cup now with Saudi backing.

Yeah, he's not a trophy machine. But Conte and Jose were, and they weren't the answer either.
 
White Van Jan said:
Wow.

Possibly our best manager in the last 30 years, Poch, was very similar. For Frank's BFC read Poch's Saints. Mid table, exceeding expectations, practical, pragmatic.

Or AFCB's Howe. mid table, exceeding expectations bla bla.

Poch became our best manager with very low net spend. We've basically built the new stadium on the back of his CL qualifications.

Howe has completely revamped a moribund NUFC after 3 years of the dead hand of, checks notes, Steve Bruce. First cup since 1955 FFS.

Frank ticks the boxes that these guys did. Probably more: he hasn't had a relegation unlike Howe; he's got a promotion unlike Poch.

And in terms of being boring - they've scored 66: MORE goals than Chavs, and ONLY 3 FEWER than goons. More than us of course.

3rd highest London team behind just those 2. Bonkers acheivment. But hey, his record against the top 6 is poor. Yeah, let's black ball him for that.
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Adding WOW at the start of your response adds zero gravitas to it. In fact, it subtracts. WOW I'm so shocked by this response!!! See, pretty silly!!!
There is so many things I can debunk in your post like we built the stadium off the back of Poch's CL qualifications. Utter BS. We built the stadium off the back of a series of friendly loans on a 25 year repayment plan. Those loans were provided because of the health of the club not a couple of CL qualifications, which as you probably no is never guaranteed.
Bruce worked under Mike Ashley. Howe works under PIF. You can't seriously think these are two level playing fields.
Poch and Frank are not even close. Poch completed one season in the PL with Southampton finishing 8th. Frank has had 4 season and never finished higher than 9th with a 13th and 16th chucked in there. All while never having the distraction of midweek European football.
Over his 4 years in charge, Brentford's PL GD stands at +4 so they score a lot of goals but clearly concede just as many.
Let's give him a top job because of the bonkers achievement of finishing above Spurs, Fulham, Palace and West Ham this season. Worth pointing out he finished below all of those clubs the season before to be the worst London club in the PL. That takes some doing. I don't really care what football he plays. He is NOT a winner. He has no track record of winning (and no you can't include a playoff final because that Brentford team should have won the Championship but ended up in the playoffs). At Spurs, we are better than Frank. Move on from Ange is fine, I'm all for it. But if we end up with Frank it will be underwhelming and a signal that we are not serious about winning anymore.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
He overachieved in the Championship too. He got out of what is a notoriously difficult league with a wage bill which was modest even by Championship levels. Like, less than half of the bigger clubs in that division. He then not only came up, but he's made Brentford such part of the Premier League furniture, they're not in the slightest bit out of place in the most prestigious league in Europe.

The football he plays now isn't the same as he played in the Championship either, he knew from the start that he wouldn't be able to keep Brentford up the same way. You'd assume with better players and more money to play with he'd adapt again at Spurs, because he adapts and doesn't treat adapting as a shameful act. He's achieved the same at Brentford the same as Howe did at Bournemouth except without the relegation so far, but people on here were desperate for Howe, and he's only just won a league cup now with Saudi backing.

Yeah, he's not a trophy machine. But Conte and Jose were, and they weren't the answer either.
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EXACTLY

Frank is not getting Saudi backing - he will achieve nothing here and has done absolutely nothing in his career to suggest he will win a single thing here.
 
CJJ said:
This whole situation proves that even when people want Levy to not make footballing decisions, they will still say he fails at making decisions they don't want him to make, when he isn't making them, and say that him not making them is him failing at making them when he shouldn't be making them
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Ed the Duck said:
Blimey - are you trying to be cryptic or dark & mysterious. Haven't a clue what you're saying. Ah well - probably it's me.
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Ed the Duck said:
Blimey - are you trying to be cryptic or dark & mysterious. Haven't a clue what you're saying. Ah well - probably it's me.
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Ed the Duck said:
Blimey - are you trying to be cryptic or dark & mysterious. Haven't a clue what you're saying. Ah well - probably it's me.
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Not probably.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
He overachieved in the Championship too. He got out of what is a notoriously difficult league with a wage bill which was modest even by Championship levels. Like, less than half of the bigger clubs in that division. He then not only came up, but he's made Brentford such part of the Premier League furniture, they're not in the slightest bit out of place in the most prestigious league in Europe.

The football he plays now isn't the same as he played in the Championship either, he knew from the start that he wouldn't be able to keep Brentford up the same way. You'd assume with better players and more money to play with he'd adapt again at Spurs, because he adapts and doesn't treat adapting as a shameful act. He's achieved the same at Brentford the same as Howe did at Bournemouth except without the relegation so far, but people on here were desperate for Howe, and he's only just won a league cup now with Saudi backing.

Yeah, he's not a trophy machine. But Conte and Jose were, and they weren't the answer either.
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Good post.

I'm a bit vanilla on Frank I will admit, but I was the same with Poch when we appointed him.

Your post does provide a lot of food for thought.
 
White Van Jan said:
You do know that he got BFC up to the top division for the first time since 1947?

And that they were in the 4th Division down 15 years ago?

Tiny support, their new stadium has 17,000 and Griffin Park was even smaller.

They've got much bigger clubs on their doorstep - Chavs, FFC, even QPR

But you reckon that "slap bang in the middle of the PL" is exactly where they should be?

And you tell people off for not using stats lol

Joke poster
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Did he take Brentford from League 2 to the PL. No, he took over when they were in the Championship so not sure you can claim he was responsible for lifting them from League 2 into the PL. That is just nonsense.
Go look at the revenue of the 92 football league clubs and come back and tell me where you think Brentford should be. I'll save you the trouble. There is about 10m between 10th Everton and 20th Bournemouth. They are currently 19th but have been as high as 15th. So in my book, Brentford should finish between 10th and 20th. Which is exactly what they do. He gets a few extra brownie points for avoiding 20th, 19th and 18th but they are right where they should be for a club of their size.
 
_mehstg said:
Adding WOW at the start of your response adds zero gravitas to it. In fact, it subtracts. WOW I'm so shocked by this response!!! See, pretty silly!!!
There is so many things I can debunk in your post like we built the stadium off the back of Poch's CL qualifications. Utter BS. We built the stadium off the back of a series of friendly loans on a 25 year repayment plan. Those loans were provided because of the health of the club not a couple of CL qualifications, which as you probably no is never guaranteed.
Bruce worked under Mike Ashley. Howe works under PIF. You can't seriously think these are two level playing fields.
Poch and Frank are not even close. Poch completed one season in the PL with Southampton finishing 8th. Frank has had 4 season and never finished higher than 9th with a 13th and 16th chucked in there. All while never having the distraction of midweek European football.
Over his 4 years in charge, Brentford's PL GD stands at +4 so they score a lot of goals but clearly concede just as many.
Let's give him a top job because of the bonkers achievement of finishing above Spurs, Fulham, Palace and West Ham this season. Worth pointing out he finished below all of those clubs the season before to be the worst London club in the PL. That takes some doing. I don't really care what football he plays. He is NOT a winner. He has no track record of winning (and no you can't include a playoff final because that Brentford team should have won the Championship but ended up in the playoffs). At Spurs, we are better than Frank. Move on from Ange is fine, I'm all for it. But if we end up with Frank it will be underwhelming and a signal that we are not serious about winning anymore.
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But the question is: who will take job and is better than Ange?

Frank is certainly better, and rumoured to be interested.

If there is a better coach than Frank (rules out Ange obviously), then I'm all for it.

Who do you favour, realistically?
 
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